Is that topaz blue? Gorgeous car, although really its hard to say what it would be worth since the market is completely different in the u.s/canada compared to europe. It also depends a lot on the year and the milage on the car. You should buy it though!

 

As far as I know the Hartge CSL has the E39 M5 engine, pushing 450hp...

I may be wrong though :dunno:

 

:drool:

 

looks like estoril blue....

looks good!

 

Estoril blue, looks very nice with the carbon fiber details.

No, this is not the Hartge CSL with M5 engine. This car is the only one in the world built like this by Hartge.
It was not built for open market sale.. I dont know the whole story.
Anyways, this obviously make it an attractiv and costly M3 but it's still not an M3 CSL!

The question is how much do you think I should value this car compared to M3 vs M3 CSL?
I.e let's say IF it was worth 50.000 USD as an M3 and 80.000 USD if it was an M3 CSL....

Btw the car is owned by entusiasts.. 62.000 km.

 

I just checked today... Well maintained M3's with ~50.000km cost around 40.000EUR here. So 50-55.000 for that one? :dunno:

 

With the week dollar and the strong Norwegian Krones (NOK) an M3 E46 cost about 110.000-125.000 USD.
Demanding price on this particular car is 147.000 USD, I think I would get it for 140.000 USD.
Not sure about M3 CSL. I have seen one that is 100% with only 10.000 km on it, he wants 190.000 USD.
The new 08 M3 cost about 250.000 USD and upwards. So pretty hard to compare prices with US/Europe.

 

Another issue is the enchurance as it goes under the category M3 E46 3.2 (I think).
If I crash it or it get's stolen i would probably loose a lot of money (around 20.000 USD).

 

get the E28 M5 behind it instead!

 

FYI

not to nit pick but that is not a csl steering wheel, it is a competition package wheel with the alcantara wrapping

 

Unique cars like this is really hard to gauge. Sometime if comes down to what it's worth to you. How I see this is basically an standard E46 M3 modified very tastefully. WIth that, what's it worth to you? Also, the true CSL should hold it's value longer. Either way, very nice car.

 

Thanks, I really appreciate your personal opinions about how you see this car.

I guess some people will think the car is more like a CSL while others see it as a tastefully modded M3 which I do agree it is.

On the other hand it is an M3 Hartge, so it is uniqe and special. Have to go through Hartge with the Hartge vin-nr to order
CSL-parts though, as you need a CSL vin-nr to get CSL parts from BMW. The seller said it's not more expensive and the delivery
is just as fast.

Do you guys know how expensive csl pars are comparing to M3? Break discs etc..

I could buy an M3 for much less and just get the CSL airbox which is expensive but much cheeper than this car.
I allready have an OEM CSL trunk though. I will most likely end up with a carbon black M3 which is a great color,
but I would prefear the Estoril blue. The M3 Hartge also comes with 19" BBS CH winter rims (worth aprox 6k USD).

Well, it's probably worth an extra 20k if I don't loose it all when I sell it.

 

RH wheels ?

 

Not sure but they are Hartge 9,5x20 with Pirelli PZERO NERO 245/30 ZR20 front and 10,5x20 with 285/25 ZR20 rear.

 

Sounds like having a factory CSL isn't a big deal to you. So perhaps you can just gauge it this way, how do you value Hartge's additions? Then with that price difference, can you do the same yourself to a stock M3?

For us over here, we don't quite have an equalvalent.. Dinan is the closest but not quite the same level as Hartge. CSL are much respected here.. so that's why I would go CSL route.. at the same time, it's not my money..

 

:drool::drool: BUY IT ALREADY!!!!!

 

It is a beauty for sure. But i think you would find a nice clean M3 and modified it as you want. Then it would be a special M3. For sure you will spent less $. The only sure thing is ,go for an M3. Just my opinion.

 

thats not a CSL steering wheel. nice car, i say do what you want... if its worth the money to you, get it.

 

Thanks again.

I really don't know.

Even though he prefers selling it to a true bmw entusiast I suspect some guy with too much money in his wallet will buy it for a stiff price.
I don't think it's worth the demanding price but if I could get it for less then comparing this car to all the mods I would do with a regular
M3 it might keep the value better in the end. That being said I need to borrow a lot of money to get the Hartge CSL unless I sell my
apartment, haha...which I am going to do anyways but I was suppose to save that money for later

All the mods I would do to an M3 will cost around $20k for rims, adjustable coilovers, CSL trunk, CSL airbox, LED lights, CSL diffusor, CSL splitters, air duct covers, exhaust (need that for the M3 Hartge as well though) and so on.

I have to think this through.

 

i want one

 

what is the price of a real CSL compare to the Hartge CSL?

will you lose-out the M-track mode without the M-track button on the steering wheel or maybe you don't even get the M-track?

 

I'm not sure, CSL is extremely rare in Norway. There are maybe two of them.
I think they may be worth another $40 over M3 or even more since they stay in the garage 97% of the time so they are low milage. There is one CSL with 10k km for sale now @ $190000 (keep in mind the new M3 cost around $270000 +/-). I wouldn't give more than $120000 for a mint M3.

I didn't understand the part you where talking about the M-track button..
You mean this car don't have M track mode?
I know it has Sport button in the dash and the S6 for the smg which affect the suspension stiffness though.

 

moar/bigger pics please!

 

btw, get the car.