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#1 ·
Are BMW bolt threads something different than metric fine or metric course? I need to replace one of the four small bolts that holds the aluminum differential support bracket to the bottom of the car (as opposed to the two big bolts that also attach that bracket to the car). I took one of the other three bolts to the hardware store and used a thread matching template that they have. I think this bolt fit into the 8mm hole, but can't remember if it was course or fine. In any case, it threaded nicely through one of the holes in the template so I bought four bolts of that dimension. But when I try to install those bolts, it is obvious that they don't fit right. So are BMW bolt threads different than hardware store fine or course? That part number is 33326760345. Btw, the reason I bought 4 is because I would like to replace all 4 with slightly longer bolts. If anyone knows of a BMW bolt of the same dimensions but 5 mm longer, please let me know.

As for part numbers, these are fiddly parts for which I cannot find part numbers at RealOEM. If anyone can help me out, I would really appreciate it:
1. The self-tapping screws that hold the long heat shield you have to remove to remove the exhaust (not the flat-ended ones that also hold the braces).
2. The small plastic clip that holds the wire on the brake wear sensor and that is located on top of each rear trailing arm.
3. The plastic clip that is often broken when removing the rear seat bolsters. I broke the one on the right.

Thanks!
 
#2 ·
Standard metric M8 bolt has a pitch of 1.25mm under DIN 975 standard.
The bolt used for the diff support: M8 X 20,5 - 8.8ZNS3 where 8.8 is the quality, 20.5 mm long, ZNS3 zinc plated (very common).
The standard for hex bolts is DIN 933 (whole length thread) or DIN 931 (partial thread).
The standard lengths in mm are: 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, 25, 28, ...
Most threads on the E46 are standard coarse pitch, except for suspension components, which use a fine pitch.

1. Bolts and nuts used to fasten the heat shields: Insulation
ST - SelfTapping for metal, also a standard for those, "knipping" bolts in German

2. small plastic brackets on top of RTAs use a universal plastic bracket. They also fit from other brands of cars. Or order a universal multi-piece pack for cheap.
 
#3 ·
Scheg - Thanks for your reply. Are you saying that the diff support bolt should have the same pitch as metric coarse pitch bolts from the hardware store? As I mentioned, they fit in the thread matching template at the hardware store, but the template only had a few turns. When I start threading the 8 mm coarse metric bolt from the store into the car it starts to bind.

Regarding the heat shield screws, I spent considerable time on that page before posting here. I just looked again. Part 13 is the one that holds the supports and not self-tapping. One of the numbers for part 10 is 07119901299. Do you think that is the one for the tunnel heat shield?
 
#4 ·
The bolts from the car fit the template. The bolts from the store fit the template. Compare the bolts side by side. If there is a difference you can visually see that. Clean the thread with a M8 tap drill or use some grease. If you dont mind, why do you need to change them? If they snapped, then Im sure the thread in the car is rusted and causes the new bolt to bind aswell.
 
#7 ·
If you dont mind, why do you need to change them? If they snapped, then Im sure the thread in the car is rusted and causes the new bolt to bind aswell.
I mucked up the threads on one. The other 3 are fine, but I added a reinforcement plate so it would be good to replace all with slightly longer ones. I tested the store bolt in a hole on the car with good threads. I just examined the bolts using burnoutrubber's grandpa's method and they look identical, except the BMW bolt seems to be manufactured to a higher standard. The thread ridges come to a thin edge, while the bolt from the store is not as finely wrought. My current plan is to buy a factory replacement bolt and hope the receiving threads aren't toast. It would be nice to find 4 BMW bolts that are 5 mm longer, but not critical.
 
#5 ·
Can I ask why you are buying the bolts at a hardware store? Hardware stores around me don’t carry bolts that carry 8.8 rating. They are ordinarily grade 5, which is not equivalent. And there is also the zinc coating.

You can get 8.8 zinc bolts online.

Are you buying at a Home Depot-type store or specialty?

Also, my grandpa taught me to hold two bolts against each other pointing in opposite directions thread to thread to check thread pitch. If they don’t match exactly, one is wrong.
 
#6 ·
hold two bolts against each other pointing in opposite directions thread to thread to check thread pitch
^ This is the quick and easy way to verify matching thread pitch.
You can also use a thread gauge, or Vernier caliper and count them.
Suggest you search, read up, and watch some youtube videos on the subject.