$40???? For some plastic rings? Wouldn't MDF work better since its denser and won't vibrate? I think the plastic, unless there is some super-plastic that I don't know about, will vibrate when you apply enough power to it.

These rings are actually easy to make. Takes me about 5 minutes with a band saw.

 

Yes, these are $40. For some people, the time saved, convenience, and ease of installation of this product is worth a lot more than that. For others, they want a flawless, clean installation, which is hard to get using a bandsaw.

Should I mention the cost of the materials and associated waste? Should I mention the fact that our business has overhead? Should I mention that those involved also need to make money? Should I mention the development time that went into the product? Should I mention the cost of the CNC cutting machine required to make these pieces?

There's plenty of cost in the product and business that you don't see. $40 is very reasonable as far as I'm concerned, and we've had plenty of people buy them already who feel just the same. If you aren't happy with the price, I would encourage you to make your own, which shouldn't be hard for you.

These are CNC cut pieces of polyethylene, which is actually significantly denser than MDF. There's ABSOLUTELY NO vibration or rattling from these pieces.

 

Let's not get defensive now.

I think advertisement for a product like this would go over much better on the off-topic, general, for-sale, etc. boards where Fanatics are less likely to have a more in-depth knowledge of speaker mounting options and the pro's/con's associated with a plastic mounting baffle.

Moreover, you'll probably find that they are more inclined to see the value in such a product as opposed to preferring a DIY solution.

 

okay diy'ers lets look at the big picture here. this is a product that people would buy whehter more functional or convenience so lets just leave it at that..if you could make one that is better, then more power to you..

 

We actually listed the product in both places, but since there IS a group of people interested in audio equipment that want a simple solution, we thought we'd put it in both places.

You're right, maybe I was a bit defensive. I guess it's frustrating to see a product you know is worth the money and that works very well doubted and rebuked publicly.

Certainly, a DIY solution is very viable for a lot of folks, but for many, it isn't.

 

For others, they want a flawless, clean installation, which is hard to get using a bandsaw.

Should I mention the cost of the materials and associated waste? Should I mention the fact that our business has overhead? Should I mention that those involved also need to make money? Should I mention the development time that went into the product? Should I mention the cost of the CNC cutting machine required to make these pieces?

There's plenty of cost in the product and business that you don't see. $40 is very reasonable as far as I'm concerned, and we've had plenty of people buy them already who feel just the same. If you aren't happy with the price, I would encourage you to make your own, which shouldn't be hard for you.

These are CNC cut pieces of polyethylene, which is actually significantly denser than MDF. There's ABSOLUTELY NO vibration or rattling from these pieces.

First of all...no one will ever see these flawless rings unless you have clear plexi door panels. I haven't seen my ugly MDF rings since I installed my speakers 6 months ago.

I understand about sunk costs and the wasted plastic that you cutout from the middle. I also understand that you have to earn a rate of return on this "project" that is better than what you could earn investing it somewhere else...I can write a paper for you about NPV and all that good stuff.

If you sold a bunch of pairs, more power to M3Motorwerks. It just my opinion that the price is too high.

So to some people, yes it would possibly be worth $40. But, I would say that in most cases...if someone will go to the effort of installing their own speakers...I wouldn't doubt that they wouldn't have access to a jigsaw and have the ability to cut some rings and drill a hole.

Here's an idea...if you can make something similar that can increase the mounting depth of a 6.5" driver by 1/4", I'd think would justify $40 because that would allow E46 owners to choose from a wider variety of 6.5" speakers.

 

Although I would never use plastic, I think these are great for most of the people on the forum. Most of the people here would like to fit 6.5's and do not care too much about sound quality, so plastic should be ok. You guys should also design something to separate the front and rear wave so there won't be a cancellation issue. I think bmw has that foam thing so the stock drivers won't have cancellation. 40 bucks isn't a bad deal for most of the people on this forum who can't do it themselves; I mean I have seen people drop 5k on a Kicker setup so whats 40 bucks.

 

Should I mention the cost of the materials and associated waste? Should I mention the fact that our business has overhead? Should I mention that those involved also need to make money? Should I mention the development time that went into the product? Should I mention the cost of the CNC cutting machine required to make these pieces?

Any business has this factor, I see where you are coming from. Your right, I would rather pay the $40 and save the time. However, this reply was very unprofessional. This is not the for sale forum btw. :hmm:

 

can u post picture of 6.5" installed with this ring on sedan.
thanks

 

Here is an example of what the rings would look like. This took 10 minutes using a $30 jigsaw from a $4 sheet of 1/2" MDF.

M3motorwerks ring will be a perfect circle where mine is not.

 

Actually, these are 1/4" polyethylene, so they do increase mounting depth by 1/4" - another benefit I had forgotten about.

learthworml: Again, we've tested extensively; if you see these in your hand you'll see why they don't rattle. There is certainly no discernible difference from MDF in this instance in terms of SQ as a result of the very high rigidity and density of the polyethylene used. We could easily switch to MDF, but we actually had better results w/ the poly. After all, the CNC machine can cut this just as easily as it can cut MDF.

NyCxZero: I do agree that my reply could have been better phrased, but I'm not sure why it was unprofessional. I was attempting to explain the costs involved to bigjae who didn't seem to give credit to the price as being reasonable. These are things that were initially wholly ignored by his post and attitude, and I felt that I needed to clarify why these are priced where they are.

Will post a picture on Monday or Tuesday as time allows.

 

wouldn't it be much cheaper if they were just injection molded or stamped from steel. :dunno:

but of course anyone with access to a jigsaw and and table router will be able to make pretty decent ones w/ mdf and plastic sheets from a plastic store.

 

Injection molding means cost in terms of a mold that has to be ammortized. Long-term, that may be a viable solution, but until we see a sales history for the item, we will need to continue using the current method.

Stamped steel is also an excellent idea, but you lose the 1/4" depth increase that the current design offers as a benefit, so it makes sense to continue doing what we're doing.

 

Actually, these are 1/4" polyethylene, so they do increase mounting depth by 1/4" - another benefit I had forgotten about.

care to explain how you came up with this?

 

sorry, double post...

 

rcurely55: If the polyethylene is 1/4" thick, it pulls the speaker away from the door 1/4" - meaning a speaker that is 1/4" deeper can be used. Not sure what you mean? :dunno:

You also wrote and then edited out in your second post the following:

and this statement is a plain lie when a coupe is concerned....

you guys are some real sales people aren't you....

the product will be welcomed by some folks I'm sure, but a blatant lie from a sponsored vendor - *tisk* *tisk*

With regards to E46 coupes fitting 6.5" speakers, in our experience, we haven't been able to use any aftermarket fitments. However, we are only human, so we certainly might be wrong. I'd appreciate some clarification on your part in this regards - has it been your experiance that all standard 6.5" speakers fit on a coupe, or are there only a few that fit? Whatever the answer, we will absolutely edit the initial post and modify the product listing on our website to reflect this new information.

Again, we are not out to screw anyone, and I'm a little perplexed as to why there's such a strong attitude about the product we're offering. We're simply bringing a product to market that many will use and appreciate - and many DIY'ers won't. If you don't like it or its price, you certainly aren't obligated to buy. Why such animosity? Can't we all just get along? :bawling:

 

Attached is a picture of the product installed.

 

rcurely55: If the polyethylene is 1/4" thick, it pulls the speaker away from the door 1/4" - meaning a speaker that is 1/4" deeper can be used. Not sure what you mean? :dunno:

That would only be the case if you bottom mounted it. If you top mount, like you can and should (IMHO) then it doesn't matter if your piece is 1/4" thick, or 1" thick. Unless your part actually moved the plane at which you attach the driver further from the door then the three mounting inserts in the door, you have not gained anything.

you could make your part 2x as thick if you wanted, and you would see no difference in aftermarket mounting.

With regards to E46 coupes fitting 6.5" speakers, in our experience, we haven't been able to use any aftermarket fitments. However, we are only human, so we certainly might be wrong. I'd appreciate some clarification on your part in this regards - has it been your experiance that all standard 6.5" speakers fit on a coupe, or are there only a few that fit?

Well, thankfully most 6.5" drivers use baskets with similar outside diameters (i.e. the od of the mounting flange). Of course there are variations, but a 6.5" driver (not a 7") should fit so long as it's not too deep or the flange on the basket is too wide.

Case in point - my brother's 330Ci:

Simple ring with a 6.5" driver attached to it (a/d/s/ 346is midbass)....mounted with something that looks a lot like your product, only it took me a few minutes to build out of some MDF.

Fitting 6.5" drivers by utilizing the factory mounting points in a coupe is possible, and doesn't require any "extensive modification" as you have claimed - in fact, it takes the same amount of mods as your product does to fit a 5.25" driver.

Whatever the answer, we will absolutely edit the initial post and modify the product listing on our website to reflect this new information.

I would appreciate that as I find this thread and others you have posted technically misleading to potential customers.

Again, we are not out to screw anyone, and I'm a little perplexed as to why there's such a strong attitude about the product we're offering. We're simply bringing a product to market that many will use and appreciate - and many DIY'ers won't. If you don't like it or its price, you certainly aren't obligated to buy. Why such animosity? Can't we all just get along? :bawling:

The point is that your guy's posts sound like infomercials - and well, they should - you are trying to sell products. The problem is that people simply don't like sales pitches (ask me how I know ) In addition, I feel some info on your site/in threads is misleading with the intention to sell more product - I feel it's a bit underhanded.

You obviously feel that you have a superior product that will sell and provide you with a good ROI, and I aplaud you for taking the time to develop ideas and market them - it's very hard, and you will never make 100% of the readers here happy. But the other problem is that you have opened yourself up to plenty of criticism - it's part of doing business on the internet - people will ask questions all day long, and rip you if they disagree with your choices - or just b/c they are having a bad day.

 

That would only be the case if you bottom mounted it. If you top mount, like you can and should (IMHO) then it doesn't matter if your piece is 1/4" thick, or 1" thick. Unless your part actually moved the plane at which you attach the driver further from the door then the three mounting inserts in the door, you have not gained anything.

you could make your part 2x as thick if you wanted, and you would see no difference in aftermarket mounting.

Realistically, if you use a piece of gasket tape as we recommend, there's no discernible difference in sound quality with a top or bottom mount. The customer has the option of mounting either way, so increasing the mounting depth by 1/4" is possible with the rings.

Well, thankfully most 6.5" drivers use baskets with similar outside diameters (i.e. the od of the mounting flange). Of course there are variations, but a 6.5" driver (not a 7") should fit so long as it's not too deep or the flange on the basket is too wide.

I think that's the whole point here. MANY aftermarket 6.5" drivers ARE too deep and DO have a flange on the basket that's too wide. That's the whole point of offering a 5.25" solution - there will be virtually no issues with such a setup. In our testing, we found there are just so many drivers with this problem that it makes sense to make the 5.25" setup standard. Keep in mind, our primary customer group are not necessarily DIY'ers, and a simple solution is what they want - which is what we're offering.

Simple ring with a 6.5" driver attached to it (a/d/s/ 346is midbass)....mounted with something that looks a lot like your product, only it took me a few minutes to build out of some MDF.

Fitting 6.5" drivers by utilizing the factory mounting points in a coupe is possible, and doesn't require any "extensive modification" as you have claimed - in fact, it takes the same amount of mods as your product does to fit a 5.25" driver.

Unless the driver is dimensionally too big in other ways, in which case extensive modification would be required. For example, with the MB Quart Discus 6.5" driver, when bottom-mounted to such a ring for clearance reasons, the cone comes in contact with the plastic ridge in the door panel, obviously unacceptable. The only way to make it work in this configuration is removal of the plastic ridge on the door panel - in our mind, extensive modification.

When top-mounted to such a ring, the MB Quart driver's height is too large, and there isn't enough room to reinstall the door panel. For some 6.5" drivers this isn't a problem, but for many it is. We are trying to provide the SIMPLEST, EASIEST solution to our customers with as little sacrifice in SQ as possible. As a result of our testing and consequent issues with many 6.5" fitments, the 5.25" adapter ring is the most ideal setup. Again, we aren't saying a 6.5" driver can't be installed, but it's probably going to be a bit of a pain for most customers if the driver isn't VERY carefully chosen.

I suppose it's an issue of clarification and being more clear about what the issue really is in terms of fitments. So, in my opinion, we are both right and both wrong in this instance.

I would appreciate that as I find this thread and others you have posted technically misleading to potential customers.

We've clarified the listing on our website and asked the moderators to edit our initial post.

The point is that your guy's posts sound like infomercials - and well, they should - you are trying to sell products. The problem is that people simply don't like sales pitches (ask me how I know ) In addition, I feel some info on your site/in threads is misleading with the intention to sell more product - I feel it's a bit underhanded.

Can you be a little bit more specific here? I'd like to know where you feel we're misleading our customers and being underhanded. We want to update our website and our threads so they are as up-front and honest as possible. We really do appreciate our customers' feedback. Whether or not people like a sales pitch is a question that only the customer and our sales numbers can answer, but we'll look into a less "salesy" mode of communication.

You obviously feel that you have a superior product that will sell and provide you with a good ROI, and I aplaud you for taking the time to develop ideas and market them - it's very hard, and you will never make 100% of the readers here happy. But the other problem is that you have opened yourself up to plenty of criticism - it's part of doing business on the internet - people will ask questions all day long, and rip you if they disagree with your choices - or just b/c they are having a bad day.

Exactly, and that's what's frustrating here. Instead of polite, open communication, what we see is attacks and seriously malicious posts over a set of speaker rings. I mean, we want feedback, and we want to communicate with our customer base. That's how we grow and improve our company, and we're open to that. I'm just unclear as to why the attitude with which the suggestions are made is so angry.

Oh well. I guess it's just the new culture of the "internet tough guy" that's here to stay...

 

Micah, I appreciate the response, I'll address each of these individually...

Realistically, if you use a piece of gasket tape as we recommend, there's no discernible difference in sound quality with a top or bottom mount. The customer has the option of mounting either way, so increasing the mounting depth by 1/4" is possible with the rings.

Let's be honest here - your product is not exactly revolutionary - this method of mounting drivers with an adaptor plate (from some material) has been around for years. However, your value add is that you can simply order the damn thing rather then make it - you get a high quality piece that fits the first time and you don't even have to get your hands dirty.

It makes no sense, in my eyes, why anyone would ever bottom mount a driver there - you have done nothing to move the driver closer to the door panel, or away from the door. If your baffle actually moved the driver inward even further, then I could see where you are going - again, I fail to see where you have increased mouting depth for anything.

I think that's the whole point here. MANY aftermarket 6.5" drivers ARE too deep and DO have a flange on the basket that's too wide. That's the whole point of offering a 5.25" solution - there will be virtually no issues with such a setup. In our testing, we found there are just so many drivers with this problem that it makes sense to make the 5.25" setup standard. Keep in mind, our primary customer group are not necessarily DIY'ers, and a simple solution is what they want - which is what we're offering.

I agree with everything you said here, only you didn't say it in your original pitch up at the top. If I was you, I'd do the same thing - the 5.25" is a no-brainer b/c you won't have customers calling you all pissed off b/c thier 6.5" mid won't fit - like a CX6 from ID. Smart move on your part, but you can't say that a 6.5" driver won't fit w/o lots of mods - it's not true.

Unless the driver is dimensionally too big in other ways, in which case extensive modification would be required. For example, with the MB Quart Discus 6.5" driver, when bottom-mounted to such a ring for clearance reasons, the cone comes in contact with the plastic ridge in the door panel, obviously unacceptable. The only way to make it work in this configuration is removal of the plastic ridge on the door panel - in our mind, extensive modification.

I think we have some nomeclature messed up - in your pic there and in mine, I'd call that top mounted. In the car that I have done, the only modification that was required was to unclip the black plastic ring from the door panel and the driver cleared perfetly. No permanent modification required to the door. Of course, with different drivers, your mileage may varry, but I know that a Diamond S600s will fit, so will the a/d/s/ drivers. Neither are huge, but they are representative of a lot of mids IMO....with the diamond on the small side.

When top-mounted to such a ring, the MB Quart driver's height is too large, and there isn't enough room to reinstall the door panel. For some 6.5" drivers this isn't a problem, but for many it is. We are trying to provide the SIMPLEST, EASIEST solution to our customers with as little sacrifice in SQ as possible. As a result of our testing and consequent issues with many 6.5" fitments, the 5.25" adapter ring is the most ideal setup. Again, we aren't saying a 6.5" driver can't be installed, but it's probably going to be a bit of a pain for most customers if the driver isn't VERY carefully chosen.

Again, for what you are trying to sell, I agree that this is the easiest solution - all I'm saying is that you have proposed this as the only solution unless you want to hack your doors or perform extensive modificaiton - that's the part that I disagree with. For your business plan, you are doing the smart thing - especially considering that you sell MBQ drivers which you say won't fit without modification...

I suppose it's an issue of clarification and being more clear about what the issue really is in terms of fitments. So, in my opinion, we are both right and both wrong in this instance.

I would never claim that all 6.5" would fit, but in no way is it fair to claim "no aftermarket speaker will fit in the factory 6.5" speaker area without extensive modification

We've clarified the listing on our website and asked the moderators to edit our initial post.

Cool, I'll have to check it out later.

Can you be a little bit more specific here? I'd like to know where you feel we're misleading our customers and being underhanded. We want to update our website and our threads so they are as up-front and honest as possible. We really do appreciate our customers' feedback. Whether or not people like a sales pitch is a question that only the customer and our sales numbers can answer, but we'll look into a less "salesy" mode of communication.

Well after taking a look at your site - specifically your dual enclosures for the E36, I found this:

The sealing of the enclosure with this resin helps to round off the internal corners, which eliminates standing waves.

some resin in the corners is going to eliminate standing waves? You can't be serious....

I feel the comments above regarding 6.5" fitment issues are there to discourage people from installing 6.5" drivers when in fact, for many drivers, it's not difficult, and requires no added modification then your product does.

This is what I mean by misleading - underhanded is too harsh, so I'll retract that statement - but I do feel that you are riding a fine line between sales speak 101 and actual technical knowledge.

This is just my opinion....

Exactly, and that's what's frustrating here. Instead of polite, open communication, what we see is attacks and seriously malicious posts over a set of speaker rings. I mean, we want feedback, and we want to communicate with our customer base. That's how we grow and improve our company, and we're open to that. I'm just unclear as to why the attitude with which the suggestions are made is so angry.

Oh well. I guess it's just the new culture of the "internet tough guy" that's here to stay...

It's tough out there today - but that's the price of doing business. Look at the hit rate that the internet provides!

Personally, I think that you have developed some great products - they look to be well crafted and they will help out those who don't have the time/skills/tools to DIY. You are going to serve a good portion of the market, and I wish you luck.

Even I have fallen to this trap - I don't have as much time to install so I farmed out my box to another guy - and it was worth the money.....

I also appreciate you taking the time to discuss these issues in a civil manner - I hope that my comments are not taken as a personal attack. In no way do I want to make an enemy, rather I just want those who browse these forums to be properly informed. If they are, then I think you will do well selling this product and eveyrone is happy - including us stubborn DIY people

If you would like to take any further discussion off line, please feel free to email me, and I'd be happy to talk to you more about your products/marketing.

 

Let's be honest here - your product is not exactly revolutionary - this method of mounting drivers with an adaptor plate (from some material) has been around for years. However, your value add is that you can simply order the damn thing rather then make it - you get a high quality piece that fits the first time and you don't even have to get your hands dirty.

Right. We've never pitched it as such. It's just an adapter ring, plain and simple, and as far as we know, there's no other product of its kind available for these particular vehicles.

It makes no sense, in my eyes, why anyone would ever bottom mount a driver there - you have done nothing to move the driver closer to the door panel, or away from the door. If your baffle actually moved the driver inward even further, then I could see where you are going - again, I fail to see where you have increased mouting depth for anything.

I think we're confused with terminology here. By bottom-mount, what I mean is that the speaker plate is attached to the magnet side of the mounting surface of the speaker and then to the door panel. I stand corrected; you are right in that the speaker would not gain any additional clearance away from the door.

I agree with everything you said here, only you didn't say it in your original pitch up at the top. If I was you, I'd do the same thing - the 5.25" is a no-brainer b/c you won't have customers calling you all pissed off b/c thier 6.5" mid won't fit - like a CX6 from ID. Smart move on your part, but you can't say that a 6.5" driver won't fit w/o lots of mods - it's not true.

You're right - we should have put it a bit differently and clarified. It is true that MANY 6.5" drivers wont fit without modification, and most that do require a bit of work to make fit correctly.

I think we have some nomeclature messed up - in your pic there and in mine, I'd call that top mounted. In the car that I have done, the only modification that was required was to unclip the black plastic ring from the door panel and the driver cleared perfetly. No permanent modification required to the door. Of course, with different drivers, your mileage may vary, but I know that a Diamond S600s will fit, so will the a/d/s/ drivers. Neither are huge, but they are representative of a lot of mids IMO....with the diamond on the small side.

Yes, I think our description of top and bottom mounted vary. Top-mounted to me means installing the adapter onto the actual cone side of the speaker, bottom-mounted means installing the adapter onto the magnet side of the speaker. In any case, because we want to be able to offer a solution that works consistently and perfectly, as mentioned before, the 5.25" solution is best.

Again, for what you are trying to sell, I agree that this is the easiest solution - all I'm saying is that you have proposed this as the only solution unless you want to hack your doors or perform extensive modificaiton - that's the part that I disagree with. For your business plan, you are doing the smart thing - especially considering that you sell MBQ drivers which you say won't fit without modification...

You're absolutely right, and we've updated our website to reflect what you've said here.

I would never claim that all 6.5" would fit, but in no way is it fair to claim "no aftermarket speaker will fit in the factory 6.5" speaker area without extensive modification

Again, updated on our website.

Well after taking a look at your site - specifically your dual enclosures for the E36, I found this:

The sealing of the enclosure with this resin helps to round off the internal corners, which eliminates standing waves.

some resin in the corners is going to eliminate standing waves? You can't be serious....

Yes, we are serious, and it does work. There's a VERY distinct difference in SQ and output between our D210 enclosure without resin and with in our testing. Standing waves may not be completely eliminated, sure, but they are certainly mitigated to a large degree. I don't know how you can make the claim that it doesn't work without seeing or hearing the enclosure in person.

I feel the comments above regarding 6.5" fitment issues are there to discourage people from installing 6.5" drivers when in fact, for many drivers, it's not difficult, and requires no added modification then your product does.

This is what I mean by misleading - underhanded is too harsh, so I'll retract that statement - but I do feel that you are riding a fine line between sales speak 101 and actual technical knowledge.

This is just my opinion....

I don't disagree. We do have to blend technical information and sales in order to sell product. We would like to be a purely techincal resource for customers, but unfortunately, in order for everyone involved to eat, pay bills, etc. some money must be made.

I think what may be happening is that despite the fact that we DO have a strong expert in car audio on board with us, we are new and we are still developing, learning, and growing our technical knowledge base. As such, we aren't infallible and we do make mistakes. These mistakes LOOK like we're trying to mislead the customer when in fact we're trying to provide a solution. Case in point, the 6.5" driver issue discussed here.

I guess the real point to remember is that we're here to serve the customer, and our policies reflect that: we offer extensive tech support for the products we carry, a 100% money back return policy, etc., etc. If you talk to any customers who've purchased audio equipment from us, specifically those with which there's been an issue or problem, you'll find that they will probably speak highly about how we've handled the situation.

What I want to communicate is that yes, while we're trying to sell product, we are still a good, wholesome group of guys and we truly do have the customer's interests in mind.

I know it seems impossible in this day and age of shady Internet companies, but we really are a good company trying to make its way in the world. And more than anything, I'd like to see people open up to the idea of trusting that we're going to service them as best we can, and no matter what happens, we'll always make it right if there's a problem.

It's tough out there today - but that's the price of doing business. Look at the hit rate that the internet provides!

Personally, I think that you have developed some great products - they look to be well crafted and they will help out those who don't have the time/skills/tools to DIY. You are going to serve a good portion of the market, and I wish you luck.

Even I have fallen to this trap - I don't have as much time to install so I farmed out my box to another guy - and it was worth the money.....

I also appreciate you taking the time to discuss these issues in a civil manner - I hope that my comments are not taken as a personal attack. In no way do I want to make an enemy, rather I just want those who browse these forums to be properly informed. If they are, then I think you will do well selling this product and eveyrone is happy - including us stubborn DIY people

If you would like to take any further discussion off line, please feel free to email me, and I'd be happy to talk to you more about your products/marketing.

Thanks for the endorsement, and thank you for the open-minded discussion and feedback. Again, you taking the time to talk to us makes us a better company, and for that, we're thankful.

:thumbup:

 

Again I think this product is good enough for 90 percent of BMW owners out there who want to stick 6.5's up front. If you are any bit concerned about sound quality or midbass, mounting the speakers to the plastic door panel is a bad idea. There is no separation of front and rear waves. The only way to get decent midbass and sound quality is to mount the speakers to the metal part of the door with a baffle. Most people cannot even tell the difference since their subbass overpowers the frontstage anyways. I guess this product works out for people who do not know how to cut some MDF or are too lazy.

 

Sure, while mounting them to the metal part of the door will certainly yield better sound, to claim that the only way to get decent midbass and SQ is through such a method is nearly as outrageous as our initial claim that no 6.5" driver is usable without modification on an E46! :lmao:

Seriously though, yes, a baffle mounted to the metal part of the door is a better way of mounting the speaker. Can most people hear a difference? HIGHLY unlikely. Will a system with the right components sound great either way? Absolutely.

As with anything, there's a cost / benefit analysis that has to be done. Sure, you can spend $250,000 on a Ferrari, and yes, it'll be quite a bit faster than your BMW. But is it worth it - probably not for most people?

What we're offering is an excellent, simple solution, not the end-all, be-all of speaker mounting systems. There may be slightly better ways of installing your speaker(s) to get that last little bit of midbass out of them, but the difference for most people is absolutely negligible, and the added value of not having to screw with anything is worth it. (There's a difference between being busy - i.e. a life outside of one's car - and being lazy).

 

2 ways i can think of to add more value to the hefty $40 pricetag.

1. special fitment for popular drivers and include the tweeter mounts as well. the tweeter mounts could be made of extra thick stock and have an angled hole through to mount the tweeters aimed towards the listener.

2. do make one an adapter that provides more mounting depth. either sandwiching the mounting ring and a plain round ring together to push the speaker basket away from the door sheet metal. otherway would be to use half inch stock and machine the mount tabs and outer edge of the mount adapter to half the thickness.

also compiling a list of speakers that would fit would be useful as well.

 

Sure, while mounting them to the metal part of the door will certainly yield better sound, to claim that the only way to get decent midbass and SQ is through such a method is nearly as outrageous as our initial claim that no 6.5" driver is usable without modification on an E46! :lmao:

Lets not try to argue here, I know what I am talking about. Ask anyone who has met me or has heard my car or cars that I have installed/tuned. I am trying to help you out by saying your product is good enough for 90 percent of the people on this forum. Please do not say my claims are outrageous; I know what I am talking about. If you knew anything about how speakers work you would not argue with me. If you are mounting the midbass with that baffle, there is no separation of front and rear waves. Therefore you will get cancellation. The midbass will be very weak and the sound quality will not be so great also. You will not get decent midbass mounting it to the door panel. I would say mounting your drivers to the metal door with a baffle and sealing it, will increase your midbass around ten fold. Again I said that 90 percent of people will find it good enough and their subbass will overpower the frontstage to notice it anyways, so lets just leave it at that.