Will the E36 version of these work on an E46??

http://store.bimmerworld.com/adjustable-street-spring-camber-plates-p576.aspx

 

Any reason why these wont fit?

In the description, it says it will not fit E36/E46 M3. But no mention of non-M E46.

 

Do you want "fixed" plates because they're cheaper ? I know of MANY good sources for inexpensive BMW E46 camber plates.


Good luck,
Rob43

 

Yes, because they are cheaper and because I dont need the capability of 3deg of camber. Im just trying to get more than factory, 1ish.. for daily driving.

 

Here are two (2) links to companies I've purchased from, both sell inexpensive adjustable Camber Plates. I'd buy #2 from Silver Project, you may be able to buy them from their Ebay store for less.

1) http://www.cosmoracing.com/productinfo.asp?cid=301&pid=2018

2) http://silverproject.pl/camber-plates-true-professionals-drift-coilover-p-58.html

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1048266



Good luck,
Rob43

 

Hi Rob,

I've seen Silver Project's ebay store and noticed they had a few different versions of these camber plates:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...pl&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.Xe46&_nkw=e46&_sacat=0

Do any of these also offer caster adjustment?

 

Thanks for the links

The Silver Project are definitely affordable, what would I need as far as an upper perch to make them work?

 

Can't you get "1-ish" neg camber by simply knocking the pins out of the strut mounts?

 

I thought that was like 0.5deg max?

 

I'm at .7 without knocked out pins. I believe I could get .5 more if I did knock them out giving me 1.2

 

You mean these......

Rob43

 

Yes, that's right.

Judging from the description, the one with adjustable mounting pins is for OEM suspension, is it not?

"Notice: IT'S FOR STOCK SPRINGS"

What does this mean?

And VIA PM you mentioned that these also offer caster adjustment. How is that?

I'm running coilovers and need some to get my alignment to spec.
The passenger side caster is out, and both of the front wheels' camber is out.

 

These are NOT the ones for coilovers. The ones I pictured are for stock OE springs including H&R, Eibach, Vogtland, Tein......and everything else that is designed like a stock spring.

I know they make a C/O option, let me look for it & I'll post up a link......in an hour or two.


Rob43

 

Here it is......

These are for Coilovers only, about $149 shipped.
http://silverproject.pl/camber-plates-true-professionals-drift-coilover-p-58.html?currency=USD


Rob43

 

Those look exactly like the ones for sale on eBay that say "for stock suspension", what's the difference?

And they're $114

Sent from my Nexus 4 using BimmerApp mobile app

 

Hmmmm, I just did the "knocking" out the alignment pin and I got -1 degree on each side. Now I did use a smartphone app on my android phone to measure but the measurement does appear to be accurate and repeatable. Since it is so easy to do you might want to try it and see.

I've also read that using a dremel you can extended those slotted holes a little too (I think I remember 3/16 of an inch max).

 

What would I need to run silver projects along with PSS9's?

 

Installation and an alignment.



Rob43

 

Right, what would be needed? Factory upper perches and hardward? Everything minus the factory strut bearing?

Hard to tell, are the bearings solid or have some sort of rubber to cut down on NVH? This would be a street application.

 

I also ordered a set of Silver Project Camber/Caster Plates (stock type springs version) for my 330Ci about two (2) weeks ago, they just got here. They're being mated to my Bilstein Sports and H&R Race Springs, the H&R's gave me a fixed front camber setting of about negative 1.9, unfortunately this is a little aggressive for the street, but not aggressive enough for the track. These Silver Project camber plates will certainly fix that. Overall I'm happy with them, especially at $163 shipped. They'll probably get installed in about a week or two, I plan on setting them up in two (2) ways. The first setting will be for DD, so I'm planning on physically marking that setting with paint or a red Sharpe at about negative 1.5 camber. The second setting will be for any tracking, I'll mark that at about neg. 2.8 / 2.9 camber. This way once they're setup from the alignment, I'll be able to quickly make the desired switch from one camber setting to the other.


Good luck,
Rob43

 

ac 2007, take a look.

Rob43

 

Just received these today $100 shipped . Will report back once installed .

 

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Just received these today $100 shipped . Will report back once installed .

Those may or may not fit depending on what setup you have, post up a link with an Exact part number to your current springs or coilovers.

Rob, those look like the two way, how much caster can you get a track alignment?

They certainly adjust caster too, but off the top I honestly don't remember how much they added....



Rob43

 

Rob, those look like the two way, how much caster can you get a track alignment?

 

https://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E46-323i-M52_2.5L/ES2539099/

 

^ They should work on that design.



Rob43

 

Ook , what size spacers u think I can fit lowered on 19's ?

 

I'm not your go to for this question, hopefully others will come in & help. If you ever get or feel a rear Bouncy problem with those coilovers, send me a PM or Email.



Rob43

 

Yeah they bounce ..[emoji85][emoji85]

 

Yeah, that's the problem with all of these sub $499 budget coilovers on the market. The good news is that the rear bouncy issue is easily fixed for a little $.



Rob43

 

Oooo really ...[emoji15][emoji15][emoji15] how ?

 

Rob43 I should of listened to you and brought the silver project camber plates . The ones for a $100 are garbage screwed my whole alignment up I had to get 7 wheel alignments . Then I came to the conclusion that the problem were the camber plates . So put back stock mounts ( problem solved ) but now steering is loose and I have serious bump steer .

 

There's nothing magical about the Camber/Caster plates I'm recommending, certainly if you spend $400 with the name brand companies you'll get even better quality. Remember that almost everything is a compromise when we're talking about all of the different parts that can be applied to our E46 chassis Bimmers. The trick is finding out where there's a good compromise between price & quality that will work well for you in your particular application.

Sometimes the cheapest price costs you more in the end, and sometimes the most expensive is overkill for the normal user.



Things to think about,
Rob43

 

Bump steer is the result of lowering too much.

 

Bump steer is the result of lowering too much.

Even with the wheels completely straight ? I thought bump steer was from too much negative camber .

Nope.

Bump steer is a result of the relationship between the control arm and the tie rod. They are not in the exact same plane. As the suspension compresses, the tie rod tugs on the upright, causing it to go out of alignment. You generally don't have much issue at stock height, but the more you lower a car, generally the worse it gets.

For some cars you can get a kit to fix bump steer that includes a longer ball joint so the tie rod is horizontal or closer to it when lowered.

Here is an excellent article on MotoIQ by my buddy Mike Kojima. You can trust Mike. He's an automotive engineer with qualifications few have, both with engineering for OEMs and well as engineering and building race cars.

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArtic...ID/3608/The-Ultimate-Guide-to-Suspension-and-Handling--Bump-SteerToe-Steer.aspx

 

Yeah I know what you mean Rob43 . So how do you stop the bouncing on these coilovers ?

 

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Even with the wheels completely straight ? I thought bump steer was from too much negative camber .