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Is the DISA really necessary?

65K views 12 replies 16 participants last post by  meramad  
#1 ·
Woohoo, flame suit on and ready.
I am doing a ton of things to my car and I'm not saying this is permanent

Lets say I have a fully sealed blockoff plate (no vac leaks, fuel trims are well within spec) for the time being, is it really worth it and would it be cost effective?
My car is losing low end power but I am fairly certain the vanos seals are completely shot with 170k and I am going with besian as soon as we get nice weather

The usual reason why everyone's car runs bad when their DISA fails is because it's causing a vacuum leak with lean codes

Has anyone tried running with a fully sealed off DISA delete compared to having a fully functional one and is it a substantial difference justifying the cost or something that is hardly noticeable? I searched and DISA delete is nowhere to be found.
I know it causes a CEL and isn't ethical because BMW engineers wouldn't have put it there if it didn't serve a purpose...if only it was of better quality...only in a perfect world :rofl:

Boy am I setting myself up for this one :evil:
 
#2 ·
I don't understand. Why are you wanting to get rid of the DISA? Is it broken?
If you're a cheap ass you can take the flap out and just reinstall the DISA. That would technically delete the DISA. But your car will have a weird power band and won't be smooth anymore.
Once again, why are you wanting to do this
 
#3 ·
It was completely broken, the entire mount for the flap was broken off when I got it so I am on the market for one but I have several other things to attend to that is a much higher priority. It's a car I'm pretty much bringing back from the dead and I am doing a little bit at a time which is why I just temporarily sealed it off for the time being.
 
#5 · (Edited)
The entire reason the DISA is there is to give you the effect of variable geometry of the intake manifold, so you can have a different air path for low end power than you have for high end power. This is fairly high tech stuff, which came from F1 racing engines. I may be off on the dates, but this was a big thing in racing back in the early 90's, when they found a way to have an intake that was tuned for both low end and high end power. Before then, all intake manifolds were just a compromise between the two, for the most part.
The same thing applies to the Vanos. The idea of having a variable cam was something that race teams worked on for years. There was a ton of trial and error involved in making it work.
The fact that both of these technologies crossed over from racing to production is even more amazing when you consider the fact that they had to make it reliable, and it had to do so with minimum maintenence, which was not an issue for race engines. I don't think people appreciate the amount of work and engineering it took to convert high end racing technology to a production car. I really don't think many people even realize how advanced these engines would have seemed 20-25 years ago. This kind of stuff was an automotive engineers wet dream. Now, it is just something else for us to complain about when it breaks.

To answer your question, you most likely could block off the DISA port, and run without it. Your low end torque would suck, and you would probably get an SES light because of the missing DISA, but it would run.
 
#8 ·
You dont NEED the disa, however it improves power delivery, throttle response, and fuel economy.
On a race car build a lot of people will delete the DISA and VANOS, because when you are on a track if you are below 3.5k RPM your doing something wrong.'

However in real life people spend the majority of their time under 3k RPM and so the DISA and VANOS are pretty good things to have.
 
#13 ·
I actually did try to remove it and cover the hole. What you will get is poor torque on take-off and the idle speed will always fall down to 500 before stabilizing. So basically the engine will be out of tune in low RPM range. I removed it only to confirm if it is really faulty or not. (it was, so I bought a new one)
 
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