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Clutch will not disengage after replacement!

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#1 ·
Issue:
Push the clutch pedal in, takes less force than normal to push in, car won't go into gear. Jack up the rear wheels, goes into gear but wheels turn even with the clutch pedal in, let the clutch out and a small change in noise at first, push the cluch pedal in, press lightly on the brake, makes whirling noise like the clutch disc is spinning on the flywheel. Obviously the pressure plate is not disengaging all the way if any.

Here's what I did:
Bought a new Bavarian Autosport Clutch Kit. Pulled the trans. Removed the old pressure plate and clutch disc. Changed the trans mainshaft seal, pivot pin, and throw out bearing. Mounted up the new clutch disc and pressure plate using the alignment tool. Torqued the pressure plate bolts in a criss cross pattern. Removed the pressure plate shipping plate with 14 mm allen. Removed the alignment tool. Bolted the trans and everything else back up. Issue found. I pulled the trans back off, only took an hour this time.

Thoughts:
1. I don't think it is the slave for several reasons. When I removed it the first time I simply put it aside and did nothing with the line. It was not leaking. It should not have changed. I did test it by clamping the rod compressed and pressing on the pedal which was rock hard. I even let the rod out some and pressed on the pedal but it was still hard. I did bleed it and saw no change.
2. I don't think the fork came off the pin. I can see it through the slave hole and when I go to install the slave I have to compress the rod a good inch before I can put the nuts on the studs. That tells me it is hitting the fork and everything is lned up. This was confirmed when I pulled the trans.
3. Pressure plate is LUK part number LC 2165 LUK 2 A 10. Throw out bearing is INA F-240424 G01 BR. It's about 23mm (.90") from the front to the face it meets the fork. Bavarian Autosport is telling me that there is only one self adjusting clutch so it couldn't be the wrong one.

Questions:
1. Could it be the wrong throw out bearing? Not thick enough? I didn't notice a major different between it and the stock one. Not likely.
2. What happens when the shipping plate is removed before being installed? I didn't do that but this makes me think something happened http://blog.bavauto.com/11334/bmw-self-adjusting-clutch-sac-diy-how-to-replace/ "If the proper procedure is not followed, during installation, the clutch assembly will not operate properly. This typically results in a clutch that will not release once everything is reassembled." Could the plate have been bad or damaged in shipping?
3. Could I have damaged the plate or messed something up when installing the transmission?

I've done clutches on Mazda's, Honda's, Acura's, Mitsubishi's, etc and this wasn't too different other than the self adjusting part.

TIA!

Mike
 
#3 · (Edited)
Could the clutch disc be installed backwards making it impossible for the pressure plate to dissengage from the disc?
 
#7 ·
Not sure how you can tell just looking at it. You really can't see anything but the input shaft since the pressure plate assembly completely covers the disc. I admit I'm not familiar with the stock disc. Just wondered if the splined shaft was fastened to the disc in a manner that would offset the disc slightly. if it is offset and was installed backward it could feasibly cause excess pressure on either the pressure plate or the flywheel.
 
#10 · (Edited)
How did it go?

It's easy to install the friction disc backwards unless you heed the German terms imprinted on either side. Can't remember the German but they translated to "gearbox side" and "engine side."

The LuK RepSet kits come with a properly matched throw-out, so you should be good. I'd replace the pilot bearing too, though (but not with the one in the kit unless it's the neoprene-sealed type like the original ....)

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After replacing my clutch, out of curiosity I tested the following reset procedure "in vitro" with the old SAC pressure plate, and it does seem to work.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=629140
 
#6 ·
release bearing and guide tube shouldn't be greased. you also have too much grease on the release fork lever. it only should be greased in a few spots where the ears of the release bearing contacts the lever and also two other areas. excessive grease will only attract dust and contaminants. however, these things probably did not contribute to the clutch not releasing properly.

any luck on the mulligan?
 
#8 ·
Did the clutch alignment tool you used allow you to align the clutch with the SAC preload adjuster in place while you tightened the pressure plate down?
 
#12 ·
Got the new one on and works just fine. I don't think I had the disc in backwards the first time but maybe I missed it. Or maybe something happened with the pressure plate and it got damaged in shipping. I definitely didn't remove the shipping plate until it was fully bolted up and torqued.

I'm just glad it is all working now :)