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323i remap ( groaaan i know just hear me out )

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#1 · (Edited)
Ok so this is purley an exercise in numbers and theory but in my head it seems to work and all im asking for is thoughts and feedback. Im NOT saying im right in any way im just interested in the mechanics of why im probably wrong! hahaha... SO here goes

Euro 323i 170 bhp
Euro 325i 189 bhp

difference of 19 hp

Realistic modest gain on remap of euro 325i unmodded in any way 208 bhp (?)

difference now 38 hp

To the 325i remap, tune for headers, high flow cats, drop in filter , underdrive pullies .. reasonable realistic gain 10hp (?) / 218bhp

difference now 48 hp

So finally my question!

Given the 323 and 325 are the same displacement and the restrictions are inlet manifold , single pipe exhaust and software..

Now that i have swapped my 323's inlet manifold for a 3.0l , and changed the exhaust system to a dual pipe, ive at least matched the standard 325i without mods and could tune it to 208 bhp , right ?

Given that ive also fitted headers , high flow cats and under drive pullies, a remap that accounts for that should put my 323i at 218bhp , exactly the same as the 325i with the same remap, right ?

So given the humble 323i starts off at 170 hp , and according to ( at least in my head logical approach ) its reasonable to end up at 218 hp , a difference of almost 50hp ... thats pretty good isnt it ?

Im only asking because people generally say remaps with mods only gain 20 / 25 hp ( i realise its not all about the hp its also about changing the charactoristics )

im torn between going all out banzai crazy and getting a ts1 ess for it ( feedback generally says im mad on a 323i )

Or remapping it which generally isnt deemed to be worth it either.. rock and a hard place !! But if the above is reasonably accurate i'd be happy with a 50 ish bhp gain..

Now talk me out of it and tell me why im wrong lol
 
#2 ·
You will need to do your own remap. The off-the-shelf tunes I have seen have been garbage. They don't change the vanos timing.

I have cams, CAI, full exhaust and I am still finding the sweet spot with tuning.
From my tuning, I have found that the intake and throttle have no restriction. The vanos timing is closing off overlap early and shutting down the power.

I have mine running at 112% VE and it still pulls past 5500rpm.
 
#5 ·
Euro 325 has 192 hp,
If you add an m54b25 intake and then adapt the ecu map on those mod ( a real custom tune) you'll have more power than a stock 325

My 328, with catless headers,both resonators, Cai and m54 b30 mani (Stock 328 map not eu2 and a weak 02 sensor) and an unconsiderable job on porting on ducts, gave me 233 hp with 100 gas.

Not official dynoed but benchmarked with torque and an other 328 with certified dyno ( by adjusting VE on app to match real hp)

Raw method, but worth to give an optimistic idea is OK.

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#7 ·
I am running Schrick 248/248 cams. They need a tune to make full use. Without a basic tune the car will not idle properly.

I have had good days and bad due to not having tuned on the dyno yet(no tuners for factory DME where I am). When I have a good day, it is easy to keep up with a pre 05 WRX.
When the tune and temperature are good, it is a cracking ride. Sometimes it will spin the 265/35R18's fitted.
I am in the process of fitting B30 manifold and new DME for realtime tuning on the dyno(knock, launch and traction control included with methanol injection to come later).

I have felt a considerable benefit from testing methanol injection before the throttle body. It cools the whole intake and stops knock dead. On hot days is was awesome with little improvement on cold days.
 
#9 ·
264/248 is not much bigger than stock on a 3.0L engine. You also have more factory spread angle at idle.

The 2.5L goes from around 5deg overlap at idle(stock) to around 25deg with 248/248 and no tune.
The STFT will hit the limits and go into limp mode within a few minutes of idling(2.5)
 
#13 ·
It has more to do with the DME and tune. I was lucky to get a good day from 30 with the stock setup, now I get a good day once or twice a week.

If you put a supercharger on it(2.5L), you should get cams to make it breathe. The stock cams are crap.

rb01, I am getting 605kg/hr at 6000rpm with stock intake and throttle body. That alone proves the intake and throttle are not the restriction everyone thinks they are.
 
#12 ·
I started from stock 323i and now car pulls not bad at all.
M54B30 intake cam,b30 intake manifold, m52(single vanos) exhaust manifold and will change it to m50 just for testing,gas throtle from 4.8is engine, ms43 tuned ecu.
Engine now takes about 570kg/h of air, soon will spin it on dyno again