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I plan on taking my car to the track a lot, but it's also my daily. I was thinking to run toyo ra1, as I have read they handle well in rain and have a long life. Would you guys recommend them, or something else?
 

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How experienced are you? I would recommend a 200TW tire like the RE71Rs or what I'm running, the Hankook RS4s.

I heard Advan came out with a new tire though.

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How experienced are you? I would recommend a 200TW tire like the RE71Rs or what I'm running, the Hankook RS4s.

I heard Advan came out with a new tire though.

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I've never been on a track, but I've been told my driving is good and I would be great on the track. Most I've done is race a bit on a windy road.
 

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I think it's a bad idea. As someone who has raced and done a reasonable amount of instructing, if you're looking for a good tire for the road and the track, get a good street tire. HPDE is not racing, so you don't need super sticky tires.
 

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I've never been on a track, but I've been told my driving is good and I would be great on the track. Most I've done is race a bit on a windy road.
If you've never been on a track, you really shouldn't be running semi-slicks/ r-compounds. You need to learn the breaking point on the track - not the street. R compounds won't help you learn as effectively.

R compounds or competition tires should never be used on the street.

You should stick with a street tire. What street tires have you had before?


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If you've never been on a track, you really shouldn't be running semi-slicks/ r-compounds. You need to learn the breaking point on the track - not the street. R compounds won't help you learn as effectively.

R compounds or competition tires should never be used on the street.

You should stick with a street tire. What street tires have you had before?


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I have used pilot super sports, and am currently using all season pilot sport a/s 3+. That's all
 

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I have used pilot super sports, and am currently using all season pilot sport a/s 3+. That's all
If you don't have enough front camber, it'll chew up the shoulders of the PSS.

PS A/S 3+ isn't terrible, but it won't last. I would recommend doing one track track day on it to see where you're at with it, and then upgrading to a 200tw Extreme Performance Summer Tire.

These would be the Hankook RS4s (more durable than the rest, good grip range, won't have as much grip as RE71Rs, but it won't drop off in grip like the RE71Rs), RE71Rs, Direzza ZIII, others you can find on Tire Rack.

A medium between PS A/S 3+ and the Extremes would be the PSS or the Firestone Firehawk Indy 500s.

And then R-compounds would be more aggressive than the Extremes. Examples are the Toyo R888R, Federal RS-RR, Advan AD08R. I wouldn't recommend R compounds until you get some seat time. R compounds also are terrible on treadwear.

Keep in mind that while you might think that a tire is shit, it might be just that you're overdriving your car.

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If you don't have enough front camber, it'll chew up the shoulders of the PSS.

PS A/S 3+ isn't terrible, but it won't last. I would recommend doing one track track day on it to see where you're at with it, and then upgrading to a 200tw Extreme Performance Summer Tire.

These would be the Hankook RS4s (more durable than the rest, good grip range, won't have as much grip as RE71Rs, but it won't drop off in grip like the RE71Rs), RE71Rs, Direzza ZIII, others you can find on Tire Rack.

A medium between PS A/S 3+ and the Extremes would be the PSS or the Firestone Firehawk Indy 500s.

And then R-compounds would be more aggressive than the Extremes. Examples are the Toyo R888R, Federal RS-RR, Advan AD08R. I wouldn't recommend R compounds until you get some seat time. R compounds also are terrible on treadwear.

Keep in mind that while you might think that a tire is ****, it might be just that you're overdriving your car.

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All of this.

Stick with a 300+ TW Summer tire to learn your capabilities and car control. Until you have hours of track time and a suspension setup suitable to really squeeze out the benefits of a 200 TW tire then don't waist your time, money and energy.
 

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R compounds or competition tires should never be used on the street.
Based upon what? By definition they are DOT legal.

I wouldn't do it for a variety of reasons, but I would never say never.
 

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Based upon what? By definition they are DOT legal.



I wouldn't do it for a variety of reasons, but I would never say never.
If it rains randomly and often, I wouldn't run it. I wouldn't run it because I know it'll give the person behind me rock chips. I wouldn't run it, because the tire takes time to warm up and during that period it wouldn't be effectively used on the street (ie. Emergency braking).

I was trying to give OP a definitive answer.

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If it rains randomly and often, I wouldn't run it. I wouldn't run it because I know it'll give the person behind me rock chips. I wouldn't run it, because the tire takes time to warm up and during that period it wouldn't be effectively used on the street (ie. Emergency braking).

I was trying to give OP a definitive answer.

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It does rain randomly where I am, but not regularly. Should I still run summer tires, or HP all-seasons?
 

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It does rain randomly where I am, but not regularly. Should I still run summer tires, or HP all-seasons?
Depends on for how long it rains and how heavy. I live in Vancouver, BC, like Florida, it rains heavily at random. Unlike Florida, it usually rains for a number of days before breaking sky again. I wouldn't want to run R-Comps (Toyo R888R for example) in the those types of rain. Probably would hydroplane.

However my Hankook RS4s do great in the rain.

Summer tires are fine.

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Hell, I've raced on hard slicks in the rain!

Actually, your advice is good. I'm kind odd. I like the rain. My best race came in the rain.

I've run low tread tires in the rain and other than huge amounts of standing water, they have been OK. When I went to racing school 30 years ago this year, we were on shaved Yoko A008s, even in the rain. You're right about the tire temps too. My best race was in the rain at 40°F. I used full tread, fairly pedestrian street tires. Most everyone else was on full treaded R comps. I started dead last in a field of 20 (no Q time) and passed have the field, finishing 10th overall and on the podium in class. The R comps just couldn't get up to temperature. My road tires had plenty of grip.

I wouldn't say never to R comps, but for someone with little to no experience with them, you're right, that could be a mess.
 
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