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M54 timing problem

jjrichar,

Absolutely brilliant, concise, and clear timing article! Love it!:clap:

But what am I doing wrong :banghead:

Engine locked at TDC
Both cams locked
Primary exhaust sprocket arrow aligned perfectly with cyl. Head
Dummy tensioner taking up slack in primary chain.

I am using off the shelf kit for locking engine

BUT here’s the issue.
When I slide on inner spline and splined shaft onto camshaft, there is no way I can screw in the 3 Torx bolts when the splined shaft is pulled out to the correct rig position. The holes are covered?

I notice from your photo and mine, with cams locked, that your master key and mine on the camshafts seem to be in a different angular position? Is that possible?
If my master spline was like yours, I reckon that would work for me. But surely the camshaft is a one piece forged unit?

If you have the time, would love to hear your thoughts.

This my first post on this forum, and will attempt to upload photos.

Best regards,

Zappamoon
 

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Discussion starter · #26 · (Edited)
Refer to my OP.

From where you have it in your 1st photo, now fit the inner spline. It needs to be flush with the main sprocket behind (it's not in your photo). Turn the inner spline so the wide spline is sitting at the 12 o'clock, and is in the same position of the wide spline on the camshaft end (which you have in your photo).

Now get the splined shaft and fit it. You should be able to see the rivet in the splined shaft that goes where the wide splines are on the cam shaft end and inner spline. It will take a bit of a wiggle due to it being a tight fit. Push in the splined shaft about half way and you should see the moons align.
 
Thanks for the quick reply.
Your OP is very clear, step by step instructions, and easy to follow.

As you can see from photos, assembled loosely as per your instructions. But with splined shaft pulled fwd to contact rig plate, no way 3 torx bolts can be inserted.

Only way can to see full thread for tox bolts is when splined shaft is pushed fully in which rotates inner spline anti clockwise to expose holes. Naturally with torx now installed impossible to pull splined shaft out due contact with 3 torx!

I am seriously at a loss what is going wrong here!

If arrow on primary exhaust sprocket is lined up with head, and camshaft locked, why is it not possible to rig the exhaust side?
 

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I do notice something strange.

From your photo of locked exhaust camshaft, if you take a line through master spline and center of camshaft, it is perpendicular to lower flange.

My locked camshaft shows offset clockwise from perpendicular???

If mine was like yours, then everything would line up, and torx would fit, and splined shaft would extend to hit rig plate.
 
Discussion starter · #29 ·
There's definitely something weird going on. I just pulled the camshaft out of the shed to take a look. Photo attached. It's as though the camshaft spline (which is screwed to the camshaft with a large torx screw) has slipped, as yours seems to be at a different angle.

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Yea, that’s what I’m thinking.
Haven’t got a torx that size, so need to get one. Tomorrow Sunday, so need to wait until Monday, and check how tight it is.

Why the hell it would loosen, or slip, I don’t know?

Hopefully once realigned and torqued all is well, and I can finish off timing.

I very much appreciate your time and input. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now!
 
Discussion starter · #31 ·
All those pieces come as one part from BMW. I suspect there is a friction washer between the pieces so they don't move. Based on another car I used to own where things got bolted to the end of the camshaft, the screw is torque to yield on a pretty big screw, and will need to be replaced. Also, the pieces need to be held in exact alignment when torqued. I'll be interested to see how you go, you might need to replace the camshaft.
 
I’ve got to keep costs down, can’t afford replacement camshaft at the moment if it comes to that.
Import duty here in The Bahamas 70% then VAT, taxes, air freight etc. rule of thumb, expect original cost of part to double!

Do you know if helix gear torx is standard thread, or left hand? Don’t want to end up tightening it by mistake and shearing it!

Will let you know how it turns out. Thanks again for all your advice. Priceless.
 
Searched the island, no M54 camshafts anywhere.

Exhaust camshaft helix gear bolt found not loose, but certainly not tight!
Aligned gear across master spline with intake gear master spline with a straight edge and torqued and locked with high strength loctite. Not taking any chances!

Finished off timing and reassembled.

Engine now running, but rough as a badgers arse. Lots of white smoke from the exhaust.
Did compression test, all cylinders between 185-195 cold engine. Excellent!

Found spark plugs 3 different types fitted, looking old, and not to spec. Changed for new. Still running rough.
Found 2 coil packs inoperative, confirmed on other cylinders, defects transferred.

Ordered on Amazon, expecting Monday next week. Meanwhile oil is filthy. Going to change with new filter while waiting for COPs

Just some history. I was given this X3 because friend leaving island. Arrived on truck because engine not running. So I had no history regarding problems. 145000 miles on clock, otherwise looks in good condition. So far spent $340 and hopefully that’s an end to it. Going to sell for a good profit, as myself also leaving The Bahamas for new job in next few months. Happy days.
 
Discussion starter · #35 ·
Nice job. Hopefully the coils will fix the problems. Was there any sort of friction disk between the components? Is the flange with the three screw holes separate from the cam, or is this manufactured as one piece? Just interested to know the setup.
 
Once torx slackened, helix gear on camshaft very free to rotate to any position.

Feels direct metal to metal, don’t feel any resistance until helix mated to shaft with torx.
Helix only comes forward approx 2mm then contacts flange with 3 threaded holes. So assume flange does come off to replace a damaged helix. It might be interference, or shrunk fitted on. Didn’t try to remove it.

Torx is standard thread.

Until x2 coils arrive on Monday, am now on a panoramic sun roof defect to keep me out of trouble.
 
Having trouble trying to fit the right sprocket to touch the temporary vanos unit no matter what i try, anyone know what could be causing it?
As I remember, if you turn the right sprocket on the left, it should move out.

I will confirm that since I need to redo the timing.
I think I did it wrongly since I'm getting error code P0015 ( exhaust camshaft timing is retarded)
Because as far as I understand this timing thing, and since only the exhaust cam is retarded, I may have not tighten the chain tensioner tool enought. We need to torque it to 0.7Nm, and since I don't have any torque wrench capable of torquing to 0.7Nm ....
I stoped to torque it when I felt some resistance, but I guess I should have torque it more than that.
 
Having trouble trying to fit the right sprocket to touch the temporary vanos unit no matter what i try, anyone know what could be causing it?
So I just redo the timing and, if you do everything in the right order, no issue ...
Also when you try to get out the right sprocket, the left will get in, and vice versa.
 
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