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Car cranks now, but misfires a lot.


Hi guys, my 2002 330i 137k, cranks but won't start. Here's a list of events that have transpired so far:

-Brought my running car to my dad's place to replace the CCV, since I thought it was leaking oil. I had already changed the valve cover gasket but still it leaked. Hadn't gotten to the Oil Filter Housing Gasket since the oil leak was coming from the passenger side.
-Changed out the hoses following 50skid's tutorial without removing the intake manifold. Quite a pain in the ass, but heard a snap on each hose, clipping onto the oil separator.
-Figured I may as well replace the intake Camshaft Position Sensor, since it was easy and right there, and I had some hesitation issues, where the car would take a second to pull.
-Put everything back together, except I accidentally swapped 2 two-pin electrical connectors, and plugged them into each others ports (A-B, B-A if that makes sense). One was the plug to the evap purge solenoid, and I'm not sure what the other was (it's adjacent to the oil separator, but I can't find what it's called online).
-Reversed into the driveway without issue.
-Came back later to leave for home, issues immediately, bogging, sounding like a lot of misfires (what a surprise).
-Had to turn around after a tenth of a mile, flooring it would lower RPM, and I tried flooring it for about 20-30 seconds to get it up a hill, then back down to my dad's.
-I looked up the videos and immediately recognized I plugged the plugs into the wrong ports. Took everything apart and swapped them. Tried to start, misfires.
-Starting fluid made it start briefly, then died.
-Double checked the intake boots for cracks, cleaned the idle air control valve, cleaned the throttle body, double checked all the CCV connections, replaced the O ring on the dipstick tube.
-Fuel pump stopped working after trying to crank but not starting a few times. Replaced the fuel pump with one I had just in case. Fuel pump primed on key position 2. I checked fuel pressure at the valve, 60psi and dropped to about ~50.

edit saw a thread where someone had almost the same codes I did when I scanned for codes at this point:
36-Main relay
68-tank ventilation valve
53-LLFS opening coil Elec.
27-LLFS Closing coil Elec.
32-secondary air valve
140-output stage failure dmtl pump
126-output stage failure dmtl valve
124-Variable jet system


-Changed all spark plugs, as they were burnt and had fuel (I believe) around the threads. No difference in starting.
-Checked all the fuses in the glove box, they looked fine. However, did not check the fuses behind that fusebox.
-Changed ignition coils, no difference in starting.
-Checked fuses in engine fuse box, couldn't get the cover to slide off, but I could see from below that all the metal in the middle of the fuses were connected, nothing blown or dark, just shiny metal (even the 20A fuse).
-Followed Bali's tutorial on updating/resetting DME, was successful in updating, cleared all codes, cranked again but no start. LFSS error was the one that came up. Not sure, but in researching, maybe something is stuck open?
-Tried checking the coils for sparks with a spark tester, but I've never used one and not sure if I'm using it correctly, as I didn't feel it connected to the ignition coil very well, and when starting the car, nothing happened (no blinking or any sign of spark).
-Started taking out the spark plugs and ignition coils, to put some oil at the bottom of each cylinder, since the cylinders are probably flooded with fuel, but it started getting over 100F outside so I figured I'd ask and go back out tomorrow morning.

I've tried following this thread as much as I can. Not sure if its a spark issue, DME/ECU issue, fuel flooding issue, or something else entirely.
Thanks for any help guys!
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It is the result of someone turning the nut and allowed the ground cable terminal being twisted with the turning nut, but it doesn't look like the ground wire is broken. If it is then just cut off the damaged section and splice in a new wire using solder. No need to replace the whole harness.
Looks like it's pretty close to the terminal. A few strands look broken as well, I'm gonna try to splice it together the best I can. Thank you for the insight, I'll try to hold the wire when screwing it back in

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Same error frequency and it seems to happen at the same time. Ground cable snapped when I tried to loosen it after taking the error codes. The nut holding down the terminal won't budge. Im thinking of getting another terminal, adding it above the nut I can't get off, and adding a nut on top to hold it down. Any other ideas for getting these two separated? I tried pliers and trying to hold it and use a socket wrench for the 8mm but still won't budge.

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This pic is interesting. The stud came out with with nut when someone removed the valve cover. Instead of getting the nut off, they continued to unscrew the stud with the wire attached and twisted the wire so bad its insulator ruptured. Get the nut off the stud, then Loctite the stud to the head.
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The nut holding down the terminal won't budge.
Don't use your teeth to remove this nut. This is an easy nut to crack: use 2 wrenches. So what exactly did you use and failed to get them loosen?

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Don't use your teeth to remove this nut. This is an easy nut to crack: use 2 wrenches. So what exactly did you use and failed to get them loosen?

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Fortunately I still have my teeth haha I tried the two wrenches, was on super tight. Ended up using a vice, wd40, and a strong drill, it came off! The nut is now separate from the stud and the ring terminal is off. Soon I'll attach the stud with loctite, splice in a 10 gauge wire to the brown ground, attach a new ring terminal , and screw the nut back on CAREFULLY, and not like how I found it. Fingers crossed, hopefully it stops the misfires!
Same error frequency and it seems to happen at the same time. Ground cable snapped when I tried to loosen it after taking the error codes. The nut holding down the terminal won't budge. Im thinking of getting another terminal, adding it above the nut I can't get off, and adding a nut on top to hold it down. Any other ideas for getting these two separated? I tried pliers and trying to hold it and use a socket wrench for the 8mm but still won't budge.
Looks as if you are getting closer to the culprit. INPA is telling you that the codes are sporadic which is indicative of an intermittent connection of some sort. There might be electrical continuity as measured by a multimeter but the DME is extremely sensitive to the readings on that return line. Also depending on the year of the car there is a resistor in the coil ground that, if not properly connected, can throw misfire codes. Let us know what happens when you strengthen all the coil ground connections.
Looks as if you are getting closer to the culprit. INPA is telling you that the codes are sporadic which is indicative of an intermittent connection of some sort. There might be electrical continuity as measured by a multimeter but the DME is extremely sensitive to the readings on that return line. Also depending on the year of the car there is a resistor in the coil ground that, if not properly connected, can throw misfire codes. Let us know what happens when you strengthen all the coil ground connections.
Well, attached it all up and nothing changed. I had a feeling there might be a resistor in the ground wire. I probably fried it when I swapped the connectors especially if I blew a 30A fuse that likely ran to the ignition coils. I'm thinking the next step is a wiring harness and see what that does. Other suggestions welcome. The car is a 2002, I believe produced in January of that year, if that's useful
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Got a wiring harness from pick n pull, installed it no problem, but same issues keep occuring. I used to get misfire B1 but that's gone away, now just misfire on carb A, on cylinders 2345. Always at the exact same time. If I have the car on for five seconds after clearing the codes, it sounds real smooth, and throws no codes. If I have it on for a few seconds past the RPM drop on idle, the CEL comes on and throws the codes. I drives to move forward, it would roll, but the brakes were hard to press and barely did much. I think the car is in limp mode? Could it be a DME or ECU thing? I'm pretty lost at this point, not sure what to do next. Maybe the fuel regulator is messed up? I can't figure out why cylinders 2345 always fail at the same time, and never 1 and 6. Any help is appreciated.

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Another update. Took out my DME and I'm guessing by these spots that I'll be needing a replacement. So do I backup this one and restore it to the new one? Do I delete EWS? Or am I wrong entirely on this DME issue?

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I'm guessing by these spots that I'll be needing a replacement.
NO. These brown/yellow spots are the residual of the flux used in the soldering during manufacturing. I don't see any odd signs of burning or component damage on the board.
but the brakes were hard to press
Leaking brake booster can lead to leaning and misfires.
Ended up using a vice, wd40, and a strong drill, it came off!
I hope the vice didn't scratch the wall of that tall capture nut or oil will leak through the rubber grommet.
NO. These brown/yellow spots are the residual of the flux used in the soldering during manufacturing. I don't see any odd signs of burning or component damage on the board.
Ah okay, thanks for the heads up. I'll count out the DME for now.
I'll double check but the stud wall didn't move when I took off the nut. I'll research on leaking brake booster, thanks for the lead. It's currently the only one I have. There is a leak under the car, however I've had an oil leak since I got the car, so I figured it was that. I'll put out some bowls underneath to catch it and see if there's multiple drip spots, and if there's more than just oil.

Just to get it on paper, the list of issues I'm currently experiencing
-hard brake pedal
-takes a longer distance to brake
-when I rev in park it sounds like it wants to but it only catches a couple times
-when I rev in drive it doesn't feel the same and the RPM barely rise and when I let go of the gas pedal the drop in rpm has made it die.
-the rear tires have a slight squeaking sound
-once while working on it I turned the car off and the master cylinder area (not sure exactly what it was) was whining/buzzing for a lot longer than usual. Now it whines real quick and turns off after turning the car off
-misfires on 2345 after turning the car on for five seconds and after the RPM drop slightly in idle
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If anyone's following, here's another update.

Replaced the check valve/"sucking jet pump" on the brake booster. Looked inside the old one, broken for sure. Put the new one in, brakes work as they should! I can depress them. Except I'm still getting misfires on cylinders 2345. However, a new code popped up. "65 intake camshaft sensor." I did replace mine with an aftermarket one. Not sure why this code would get thrown now, but looks like I'll head to the pick n pull for an oem sensor. Not sure if that'll fix the problems? When I press the gas, rpms drop. I noticed when replacing the intake camshaft position sensor, that the vanos spring inside the solenoid was trying to come out, or was at least sticking out. Maybe this is the cause of my misfires? Not sure how to fix it or if it's even an issue.

Thanks for everyone's help so far! I wanna shout out Sapote for the brake booster idea, thank you!

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I noticed when replacing the intake camshaft position sensor, that the vanos spring inside the solenoid was trying to come out, or was at least sticking out. Maybe this is the cause of my misfires? Not sure how to fix it or if it's even an issue.
Normal but make sure don't drop anything from the vanos solenoid.
Yes, replace the intake cam sensor and I think the issue will be fixed
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Checked the disa, replaced the whole unit only 8 months ago and already the gaskets are messed up. I ordered a fluorosilicone one and I'll replace when I get it. The unit works fine though.

Replaced the intake camshaft sensor with one from pick n pull. I replaced the vanos solenoid with one from pick n pull as well and noticed my vanos solenoid was pushed in and didn't have the little metal sticking out.

Ran the car, no more camshaft code. Still getting misfires on 2345, but it's kinda different now. Sometimes they misfire at the same time, sometimes at different times. Used to only be CARB A, but now CARB B1 shows up for some of them. When I let off the gas it sounds like the brake booster is breathing or something. Could it be the fuel filter/regulator maybe? I replaced mine with an aftermarket one about 9 months ago. I also noticed the brake pedal will be hard sometimes, and not at other times. I believe the vacuum lines for the brake booster, upper intake boot, and fuel filter, are good. Seems like I'm going down the line of things that have failed and am slowly fixing them one by one. Just gotta figure out the next one. Any ideas appreciated.

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When I let off the gas it sounds like the brake booster is breathing or something.
Sounds like vac leaking. Find out and fix this.
So far fixed 3 vacuum leaks (one on the vacuum tank to back of intake, the cap on the back of the intake was replaced, and the line leading from the one way check valve to the back of the intake was replaced). Ran the car, smells and sounds more rich. Maybe the car was used to the vacuum leaks and that's why it's putting more fuel in? I have started it but not moved the car quite a number of times now (been a month of not moving more than 50ft), so maybe the engine just has a lot of fuel in it?

Ordered a new brake booster, since it seems from the research I've made that mine could be faulty (brakes sometimes depress normally, other times are hard, drops RPM when brakes are pressed). I believe the brake booster hose is okay, some parts are hard and kinda feel not as round inside (if that makes sense), but can't find any obvious leaks or broken areas.

Replaced the DISA gasket with a fluorosilicone one since the old one already had a rip in it.

Disconnected the MAF while car was running, and car didn't sound any better. Plugged back in and sounded the same as before.

I think my battery's getting too drained since I can't get error codes and the dashboard was flickering during the last session, so I'm going to test it and charge it up (bought the battery 9 months ago from Summit Racing).

If the new brake booster doesn't work, I'll try a new hose. If still nothing, oem fuel filter regulator replacement? Smoke test? I haven't checked the hose running from the bottom of the sucking jet pump to the intake (because I can't feel nor see the end of it), but I believe every other vacuum hose is good (I replaced the fuel filter regulator hose a few months ago when I replaced the fuel filter regulator with aftermarket). Fuel cap looks good too, no cracks.
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Long time no post.

I replaced the brake booster with a brand new ATE one. Replaced the brake booster hose too. Replaced the fuel filter and fuel pump with brand new OEM ones, Mahle and VDO respectively. Fuel filter vacuum line still in tact. Put a new valve cover and new studs on (found the cause of my oil leak, warped valve cover). Tried and cleaned an ICV from the junkyard on a lower mile car than mine (kept mine too of course).

Still misfires on 2,3,4,5 at the same time (usually happens when RPM drop, from idle or after gassing in idle).

Next step, smoke test using the brake booster hose, and go from there. I'd guess maybe the hose from the sucking jet pump to the intake is leaking. Maybe intake manifold gaskets?
Still searching for this vacuum leak. Smoke tested and found some cracks in both intake boots. Anyone know if Febi-Bilstein (upper boot) and Rein (lower boot) will fit just fine? They're half the price of BMW brand intake, and look the same size.
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