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BMW announced yet again that they have switched suppliers for their oils. We are now going away from Shell and onto BP (British Petroleum) for BMW branded oils. Under the Castrol label. (BP owns Castrol)

Let the confusion, theories & who is better begin again.
Sigh.

I'll stick with my Liqui Moly and Fuchs.
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Mobil 1 every 5k since 1985...0-40 when it had ZDDP, now 15-50 race blend here in Florida. At $5/quart at Walmart its hard to beat.
 

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The intent was A: To be informative. B: There are many here that have another BMW, perhaps under warranty.
 

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oh, sorry, Don, I think most of us were poking fun at BMW, not you...

At least, I was!

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We need some light humor and pbr chugging from the guy who does Bullshitkorner.

"F*cking beer time!!"

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BMW announced yet again that they have switched suppliers for their oils. We are now going away from Shell and onto BP (British Petroleum) for BMW branded oils. Under the Castrol label. (BP owns Castrol)[/B]
BMW Motorsport been using Castrol for the S54 for a while..
 

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Suppliers are a business contract, who is going to supply BMW factory.
BMW themselves have a huge list of manufacturers who's oil has been approved by them. Just go look at BMW TIS.

Engine oil use ACEA, API and ILSAC specification.
BMW will specify which specs suits their engine and which manufacturer has oil tested & approved by them which will carry the BMW LL spec.

People in certain parts of the world will stand by a certain brand.
Nothing to do with brands, all about ACEA, API and ILSAC specification.
Oil manufacturers can't prove their oil is best, nor can they prove rival is worse.
Who are we to say certain brand is better when BMW has so many tested and approved oil.

Learn about ACEA, API and ILSAC specification and use oil that meets the specs & viscosity required by engine manufacturer.
 

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BMW Motorsport been using Castrol for the S54 for a while..
Actually the shift to Shell changed ALL their motor oils. Now it's back again.
I actually thought the insides of the engines were cleaner (less patina) when using Shell.

It's moot, I have a case of each for those that insist. Otherwise is L-M or Fuchs.
 

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getty got it- I tried vegemite once, and still blame the whole band for that horrrriffffic texture.

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Actually the shift to Shell changed ALL their motor oils. Now it's back again.
Ah ok, so you’re saying it’s back. I get it.
Good info.
 

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What I understand from those in the business is that there’s not a dimes worth of difference in the base stocks used by the mfg.(Mobil, Shell, Castrol, etc) The difference is in the additive packages that they buy from specialist suppliers. Confined and restricted by regulations , the stuff we buy off the shelves for our personal use is pretty much standard generic package for wear and corrosion. Advertising tends to make the individual choice controversial.
 

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What I understand from those in the business is that there’s not a dimes worth of difference in the base stocks used by the mfg.(Mobil, Shell, Castrol, etc) The difference is in the additive packages that they buy from specialist suppliers. Confined and restricted by regulations , the stuff we buy off the shelves for our personal use is pretty much standard generic package for wear and corrosion. Advertising tends to make the individual choice controversial.
In BMW's case they sought a quality oil to meet their specification (constantly moving target) and be had at a price point.
At the time Shell was able to produce a VG oil/price point from their location in Qatar; Pearl Gas. They take the LP and crack it into synthetic oils for cars/trucks. Cheaply because what's coming out of the ground is very clean, which makes for less work-cheaper price.

Now that Castrol is under the BP Umbrella, they sought to get back into the game with similar fields in; Kuait, Oman & Saudi Arabia.

FWIW although I've never had the BMW/Shell oil tested, when the switchover happened I was pleased with the clean low ash content.
 

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What I understand from those in the business is that there’s not a dimes worth of difference in the base stocks used by the mfg.(Mobil, Shell, Castrol, etc) The difference is in the additive packages that they buy from specialist suppliers.
FWIW although I've never had the BMW/Shell oil tested, when the switchover happened I was pleased with the clean low ash content.
I've long thought that the base oils had to be virtually identical in order to perform their function ... there's only so many ways you can combine Hydrogen and Carbon into an oil molecule, and that the rest was down to additives and then marketing BS.

It has been particulary reassuring reading MrMCar's remarks about Shell and how he's observed that it leaves engines cleaner inside.

My next X4 35d oil change will be my first experience with Shell Helix; with 2 diesels having a low SAPS LL-04 oil is important to me. I grew up as a Castrol boi, then switched to Mobil1, then LM ... now Helix. I guess in 10yrs I'll know if the engines and DPFs have been well preserved with Helix (I change the oil every 12500km in all the cars).

Probably will still put LM into my 330Ci although it's destined for track-only use so I'll review that when the time comes.

Damn marketing guys, they have a lot to answer for.
 

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What I understand from those in the business is that there’s not a dimes worth of difference in the base stocks used by the mfg.(Mobil, Shell, Castrol, etc) The difference is in the additive packages that they buy from specialist suppliers.
This is also how they make gas. Companies share pipelines and refineries. It comes down to what additives are added.
 
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