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After watching 50skid doing, what was to be, a voltage regulator replacement for his alternator, on the way to my moms house my battery light comes on. Makure sure all lights are not used, not AC, no fan, and use signals as little as possible I made it to her house and back. At the end the brake and ABS lights came one especially when I used the turn signals.

Used the battery test in the dash cluster and I see 1a bit over 11v (most likely due to driving on it) and a drop to 10v when I started the car.

Battery is just less than 2 years old (Oct 2019) and I drive it 100 miles/day for work so very few short trips.

Seems to be 2 possibilities at REALOEM:
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Any way to know which one of these were original to the car? I assume it was 12317501690...?

The drop points to an alternator issue and most likely a voltage regulator but as far as I know - it is the original alternator so it is nearly 20 years old and 287,200 miles on it (Bosch AL0703X - this seems to suggest it is not original though - had to have been replaced before me - before 150K miles) I plan on just switching out the alternator due to its age and I know power steering fluid got dripped in it for awhile.

Does the diagnosis seem sound?
 
#4 · (Edited)
Cable is attached fine - not sure what I am looking for other than 2 or 3 pin connector. I know it is a 2 pin connector - checked that out after making the post.

Oddly OEMBimmerParts.com insists the above alternator is for a 528i and not for a 330i. Pelican Parts thinks the same model # has a 3 pin connector while the desc at FCP is 2 pin.

I think this is it... Of course - no one has it locally - not even the Bosch AL0703X.
 
#6 · (Edited)
Look at the shape of the connector as well, since this is where the most fitment problems arise with Bosch alternators. Some of the Bosch 120amp alternators (like mine) have a voltage regulator with a square end on one side of the connector that plugs into it and round on the other end.

Here is a picture of mine (and I have seen the same alternator on a 2004 330i also)

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Unfortunately, there is a plethora of threads on asking how to fit a square connector into a round plugged alternator, or vice versa. If your connector is shaped like the pics above, then be careful because many of the part numbers and online catalogs may lead you astray.

Fwiw, the FCP euro alternator you posted has a completely round square plug.

Here is a recent thread about this with respect to just the voltage regulator which is what the wiring harness of the car plugs into ... turns out there are three connector types to watch out for: square, round and hybrid of both.

 
#11 · (Edited)
A guy on FaceBook has a WorldPac account (Buckeye chapter of CCA) and he verified that Bosch AL0703X corresponds to 12317501690 from RealOEM - at least according to WorldPac.. Also noted that the square/rectangular plug is 'technically' 3 prong but only fitted with 2 prongs (smh - I am appropriating SMH to be "so much hell" instead of "shaking my head" because it fits better :) ).

Soooo it looks like I have the answer (Bosch AL0703X / 12317501690 ) but no matter what I will need to check the plug to make sure it is rectangular instead of oval (just in case). And I think I can probably say the alternator in the car is probably original.

Unfortunately - it looks like the only way to get it quickly is via AutoZone/AdvanceAuto or NAPA (most expensive other than RCPEuro) to the tune of 10-14 days sooner than FCP.
 
#18 ·
FWIW, when the alternator died on our 2004 325xi,

I replaced it with a spare I had for the 2000 528.
To my significant surprise.

So yes, there is crossover, but it seems to happen by accident.

Around here, they are often in stock in local OhReally's.

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I was hoping but alas - none were had in the area.

FCP shows that I would get that part Tuesday. I must be doing it wrong
Do they ship out of CA - assuming you are still in CA? Since I am in Ohio...
 
#28 · (Edited)
There she is, out of the car. The bolts have a little bit of surface rust. Should I clean them up with penetrating oil and will I have to take the bolt out from the bottom, rear of the alternator or will the new one come with it? I will probably pray a bit of penetrating oil on the threads on the engine before I go about putting it on. I can use a wire brush to clean the bolts and wipe them down with a little bit of oil.

I have a feeling it is going to be a royal pain to get the new one in and aligned for the bolts
 

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#29 ·
The bolts have a little bit of surface rust.
what bolts? You are not talking about the small long bolts holding the alternator housing halves together, do you (no reasons to open the housing uo)? If they are the big long bolts holding the alternator to the oil filter housing, then there is a sliding nut (on the alternator ear) that will slide forward when tightening the bolt to lock it up.
 
#31 ·
Cyclon,

The pictures on the FCP Euro link you sent shows new unrusted nut in that spot, so the replacement will likely have one. If you need to swap it, use kroil or other penetrant to help press it out.

Love the Valeo air scoop on the rebuilt bosch alternator you have ...
 
#35 ·
Use penetrating oil on the nut and a long pry bar to get the alternator moving and wiggle it out. It's a tight press fit in there for sure, but the pry bar leverage helps. Hammering on it too hard risks breaking the aluminum ear/bracket or even bashing the radiator in front on a back swing. Work at it with 2 foot pry bar between the alternator & ofh and it will come out.

Not an issue now bc you are replacing, but fwiw once removed I then use a couple sockets and a large claw vise grips to press the nut further out for ease of installation.
 
#36 ·
Use penetrating oil on the nut and a long pry bar to get the alternator moving and wiggle it out. It's a tight press fit in there for sure
Don't use pry bar as it can crack the ear. Use a socket as spacer and the same bolt to pull the said nut rearward 1mm to free the alternator from the oil filter housing.
 
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#37 ·
It is done... On the new one it has a little sticker. So my guess is the old one was rebuilt.

Probably take it into auto store to have it tested and see if I can replace the regulator and have a spare.
 

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You might check out this thread, where I posted over on 318ti.org: alternator rebuild - 318ti.org forum, starting around post #5. I've replaced brushes and bearings on the alternator that you removed. I can tell you that anything that requires access to the inside of the case is painful.
I saw the 2 pics of your rebuilt alternator. The "button" I think is for indexing the two case halves to ensure the stator coil wires were soldered to the proper diode bridge board. I would like to see a pic of the stator wires ends soldered on the bridge board as the soldering was done after the 2 halves bolted together. So the proper way to open the case is to remove the solder completely off the soldering joints to free up the stator from the rear half.