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I am so stressed. I dropped of my car to have the headliner fixed at the only upholstery shop that does cars.

The owner says he will drop me off at my house. I asked him if he knows how to drive manual and he says yes I drive in Vietnam long time.

We then drive to my house with me driving. I get out and then he tries to back up. After watching him a while not being able to shift to back up I opened the door and he was trying to shift to reverse without stepping on the clutch.

I was now nervous then I saw him pulling away in my car in 3rd gear slipping the clutch and now I was really worried the whole time.

Two days later I pick up the car and my worry was confirmed the car now does not drive the clutch is burned.....馃が馃が馃が馃が馃が馃が馃が馃が馃が馃が馃が

I now had to have the car towed and brought to a shop to replace the clutch 馃が馃が馃が馃が馃が馃が

He could have just told me that he did not know how to drive standard.....

What are the parts and maybe upgrade options I have to consider since I have a shop take down the transmission? It is a daily driven car by my teenage son and sometimes by wife? Thanks
 

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I would stick with a stock clutch. Avoid any temptation to go with non self-adjusting clutch or a lightweight flywheel.
The shop may tell you that you need a new dual mass flywheel.. ($400 I think new above the cost of the clutch). According to Bentley and possibly BMW, you can typically re-use a flywheel once, so on the car's second clutch replacement is when you typically buy a new flywheel..often, not always, the life of the car. There is a way to measure the rotational play in the flywheel.

A Luk clutch kit is fine.

The only upgrade you might consider is the Clutch Delay Valve ( CDV) delete. Removing the CDV improves clutch feel and connection between driver, foot, transmission, & engine. The CDV is a device that slows clutch actuation by restricting the flow of clutch hydraulic fluid between pedal and slave cylinder. It was likely meant to lengthen the life of a clutch.
 

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Agree wit the above. It's one thing to be in a major metropolitan area with parts on the shelf.
Given you're in Guam, I'd stick with a OEM.
Make SURE they also replace the pilot bearing!
 

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Okay I found the original clutch pressure plate on FCP Euro. I like the way the car drives it has 119K miles. I will add the pilot bearing to that... and the CDV delete... do I need a clutch alignment tool?
 

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For 6-speed:
Clutch
10/29/19Clutch kit - Luk - pressure plate, clutch disc, release bearing, pilot bearing, clutch fork, and alignment tool21207531556
1​
$鈥 226.39FCP Euro
10/29/19Twin Mass Flywheel - Luk21207533868
1​
$鈥 383.37FCP Euro
10/29/19Clutch fork pin21511223328
1​
$鈥 9.95FCP Euro
10/29/19Clutch release spring clip21517570284
1​
$鈥 4.29FCP Euro
10/29/19Clutch fillister screw (M8X16-ZNS3 MK)07119906045
6​
$鈥 4.62FCP Euro
10/29/19Flywheel bolt (M12X1,5X29,15)11227519572
8​
$鈥 46.56FCP Euro
Fluid flush
10/31/19Transmission plug23117531356
2​
$鈥 21.04FCP Euro
Shifter refresh
10/19/19Shifter (selector) shaft seal (15X21X5)23117531360
1​
$鈥 21.25FCP Euro
10/7/19Shifter bearing (ball socket)25111220600
1​
$鈥 4.62FCP Euro
10/2/19Bush bearing oval25117519670
2​
$鈥 12.70FCP Euro
10/2/19Shifter bearing pin - left25117529078
1​
$鈥 5.48FCP Euro
10/2/19Shifter bearing pin - right25117529079
1​
$鈥 5.48FCP Euro
10/2/19Shift rod circlip25117571899
1​
$鈥 1.25FCP Euro
 

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Okay I found the original clutch pressure plate on FCP Euro. I like the way the car drives it has 119K miles. I will add the pilot bearing to that... and the CDV delete... do I need a clutch alignment tool?
Alignment tool will come with the kit.
 

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For 6-speed:
Clutch
10/29/19Clutch kit - Luk - pressure plate, clutch disc, release bearing, pilot bearing, clutch fork, and alignment tool21207531556
1​
$鈥 226.39FCP Euro
10/29/19Twin Mass Flywheel - Luk21207533868
1​
$鈥 383.37FCP Euro
10/29/19Clutch fork pin21511223328
1​
$鈥 9.95FCP Euro
10/29/19Clutch release spring clip21517570284
1​
$鈥 4.29FCP Euro
10/29/19Clutch fillister screw (M8X16-ZNS3 MK)07119906045
6​
$鈥 4.62FCP Euro
10/29/19Flywheel bolt (M12X1,5X29,15)11227519572
8​
$鈥 46.56FCP Euro
Fluid flush
10/31/19Transmission plug23117531356
2​
$鈥 21.04FCP Euro
Shifter refresh
10/19/19Shifter (selector) shaft seal (15X21X5)23117531360
1​
$鈥 21.25FCP Euro
10/7/19Shifter bearing (ball socket)25111220600
1​
$鈥 4.62FCP Euro
10/2/19Bush bearing oval25117519670
2​
$鈥 12.70FCP Euro
10/2/19Shifter bearing pin - left25117529078
1​
$鈥 5.48FCP Euro
10/2/19Shifter bearing pin - right25117529079
1​
$鈥 5.48FCP Euro
10/2/19Shift rod circlip25117571899
1​
$鈥 1.25FCP Euro
My car is only a 5 speed is this list also applicable? I am on Guam and it takes a while for parts to arrive having said that what are the chances that the flywheel is damaged? The car does not move at all
 

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The flywheel generally doesn't get damaged, even with the bad driving you described. It wears out. As I said earlier, it usually lasts over two clutch changes...So, is this the first or second clutch job.

If it were me, I would remove trans, clutch plate and clutch and see how much play is in the flywheel...I would then decide whether or not to buy a new flywheel..But I live in the states and can get a flywheel in a day or two..even same day If I am willing to pay a little more.

I suspect shipping parts to Guam is more difficult/expensive, If you don't want to risk it, and are willing to pay the extra $$, just replace the flywheel. I don't know how returns from Guam work, but maybe you could buy it and return it if you don't use it.

Here is a decent video on how to measure the rotational play of flywheel.
 

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The alignment tool USUALLY comes with the kit. I've seen it missing at times. When you order the clutch make sure you type somewhere that someone needs to open the box and ensure it's in there before shipping.
Often the box gets a corner ripped off during shipping and the alignment tool slides out.

I'd ask them if they would be kind enough to tape the tool and the pilot bearing to the clutch cover itself. Seems ridiculous, but you're in the middle of an ocean.
 

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I can get you the 5-speed list. The flywheel can usually be reinstalled for one clutch change.
My car is only a 5 speed is this list also applicable? I am on Guam and it takes a while for parts to arrive having said that what are the chances that the flywheel is damaged? The car does not move at all
Here is the list for a 5 speed. A few notes:
1. Flywheel can be reinstalled once, meaning 2x clutches per flywheel provided there is no damage.
2. Table below has what I would recommend, which totals about $900.
3. I really recommend the shifter refresh. It is $100 in parts and makes a HUGE difference in the driving quality.
4. Shift detents are definitely optional. I did it when I did the clutch because I hate taking the tranny out
5. Flex disc is also optional, but again, you are doing all the work to get the exhaust out and heat shield, and if you have over 150k, then now is a good time.
6. I did this project a few years ago and bought all the parts from FCP. The current prices will likely be different.

Clutch
Clutch kit21207531843
1​
$鈥 288.50
Flywheel21217512474
1​
$鈥 357.30
Pressure plate bolt7119906045
6​
$鈥 5.94
Pivot pin21511223328
1​
$鈥 3.35
Spring clip for clutch assembly21517570284
1​
$鈥 4.97
Shifter refresh
Dowel Pin (for selector input. shaft joint)23411466134
1​
$鈥 1.45
Nylon Washers (2)25111220439
1​
$鈥 1.98
Bearing pin25111221849
1​
$鈥 5.78
Shifter arm bushing (Shifter idler arm rear mount)25111222015
1​
$鈥 20.40
Shifter rod coupler bushing25111434194
1​
$鈥 2.70
Shifter ball bushing25111469397
1​
$鈥 39.95
Shift lever bushing (Shifter idler arm trans mount bushing)25117519669
1​
$鈥 9.11
Shifter circlip25117571899
1​
$鈥 1.18
Shifter rod joint (Gear Selector Input Shaft Joint)25117580281
1​
$鈥 18.00
Transmission service
Manual transmission drain/fill plug27111226798
2​
$鈥 16.02
Transmission mounting blocks22316771219
2​
$鈥 24.08
Input shaft seal23211224820
1​
$鈥 28.00
Flex Disc
Drive shaft flex disc - Lemforder26117511454
1​
$鈥 57.81
Flex disc nuts07129900047
6​
$鈥 7.98
Detent repair
Detent repair kitZFDETENTKIT
1​
$鈥 95.00
 

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I can get you the 5-speed list. The flywheel can usually be reinstalled for one clutch change.

Here is the list for a 5 speed. A few notes:
1. Flywheel can be reinstalled once, meaning 2x clutches per flywheel provided there is no damage.
2. Table below has what I would recommend, which totals about $900.
3. I really recommend the shifter refresh. It is $100 in parts and makes a HUGE difference in the driving quality.
4. Shift detents are definitely optional. I did it when I did the clutch because I hate taking the tranny out
5. Flex disc is also optional, but again, you are doing all the work to get the exhaust out and heat shield, and if you have over 150k, then now is a good time.
6. I did this project a few years ago and bought all the parts from FCP. The current prices will likely be different.

Clutch
Clutch kit21207531843
1​
$鈥 288.50
Flywheel21217512474
1​
$鈥 357.30
Pressure plate bolt7119906045
6​
$鈥 5.94
Pivot pin21511223328
1​
$鈥 3.35
Spring clip for clutch assembly21517570284
1​
$鈥 4.97
Shifter refresh
Dowel Pin (for selector input. shaft joint)23411466134
1​
$鈥 1.45
Nylon Washers (2)25111220439
1​
$鈥 1.98
Bearing pin25111221849
1​
$鈥 5.78
Shifter arm bushing (Shifter idler arm rear mount)25111222015
1​
$鈥 20.40
Shifter rod coupler bushing25111434194
1​
$鈥 2.70
Shifter ball bushing25111469397
1​
$鈥 39.95
Shift lever bushing (Shifter idler arm trans mount bushing)25117519669
1​
$鈥 9.11
Shifter circlip25117571899
1​
$鈥 1.18
Shifter rod joint (Gear Selector Input Shaft Joint)25117580281
1​
$鈥 18.00
Transmission service
Manual transmission drain/fill plug27111226798
2​
$鈥 16.02
Transmission mounting blocks22316771219
2​
$鈥 24.08
Input shaft seal23211224820
1​
$鈥 28.00
Flex Disc
Drive shaft flex disc - Lemforder26117511454
1​
$鈥 57.81
Flex disc nuts07129900047
6​
$鈥 7.98
Detent repair
Detent repair kitZFDETENTKIT
1​
$鈥 95.00
Thank you what is the detent repair kit?
 

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Thanks i might be the 3rd or 4th owner of this car and have no idea if the clutch or the flywheel has been replaced at 119k miles
 

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Single Mass Flywheel Conversion Kit
Upgrade from your failure prone dual mass flywheel with this kit. Includes single mass flywheel, clutch kit and hardware.

Mfg Part #52401220ECS Part #ES#2702807BrandValeo

How come this kit says it is not for a 2004 BMW 325i Touring the production date of my car is 11/03, thanks
 
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