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Old 05-17-2014, 10:42 AM   #81
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Those Supra's are not making 1000 hp (even if the "dyno" sheet says so). It is very common in the Supra world to say I am making "1000hp", but really making 700ish and not tuned right either.

The idea that you can't do the same thing with a M3 that you can do with a Supra is a misconception.
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Just sending out a thanks for all the support you have given me on my kit. Looking back - some of my questions have been pretty daft. Anyways, I appreciate your help! I am looking forward to seeing the results of the shop car.
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:04 PM   #82
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No worries, we all get negative from time to time.

You are right I do not post details. Main reason is something hard to describe. In my culture and Islamic Religion it is called "evil eye, whammy". The more I posted details on local car forums the more problems I encountered. The more I Posted the more I saw issues popping off which I never saw in the last 14 years of F/I life of mine.
Then I decided to post at a minimum and it did help.

You may call me mad but this is something related to my local culture and religion of Islam.

Leave the culture and religion on one side, I also think that posting all the details is like acting like a nouveau rich or parvenu. You can ask why I posted for years, my reply will be my thoughts changed.
I mean there are people WHO cannot afford a Project like that I started thinking that I should be silent and not hurt other's feelings.

Me and my team work 7 days, inc sundays. Half of the week a second team is working from 5 to 11.30 pm.
I plan on testing both M3s this summer and make good/clear videos.

XM3 is getting prepared for drag racing as well as 60-130 mph runs.
Initial tests gave hope for very low 3 sec 60-130 times. A diet would put it under 3 sec 60-130 mph.
At the very same time launching from a stand still is a totally new World for me.

All three M3s of mine will never be finished or should never be finshed. Improvemets should continue. The more I read, think, evaluate the more I go into details. So if any of my M3s is done I would be very upset. Its the progress that makes me happy. I have plans for each car, and if one of the items on the list is done, I carry that item to the "done list".

Once I am at a certain level with both M3s which should be 3-4 months from now on, I would like to invite Marcus, Kenton, Leonel, Dragos or anyone on this board to Istanbul. We can have hours of chat, road tests.... It will be a pleasure to welcome you all.
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Just sending out a thanks for all the support you have given me on my kit. Looking back - some of my questions have been pretty daft. Anyways, I appreciate your help! I am looking forward to seeing the results of the shop car.
Happy to help . Should have some results on the shop car soon! Been busy with customer cars, turbo kit production and R&D on a new product for the turbo'd M3 kits.
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Old 05-17-2014, 09:02 PM   #85
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So what's the point of having a dyno sheet if you are just going to make up random numbers. There is no logic to this. If a dyno says a car makes 1000hp, then the car makes 1000hp. I don't really understand how you would make 300 less hp than what the dyno says. I'm no expert so maybe you could explain this theory to me?
It is easy to photo shop a dyno graph or manipulate a dyno to make it read higher than it actually is. Dyno is a tool and not the best way to measure the real hp output of a car. That's were drag racing comes into play. No way to cheat physics
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It is easy to photo shop a dyno graph or manipulate a dyno to make it read higher than it actually is. Dyno is a tool and not the best way to measure the real hp output of a car. That's were drag racing comes into play. No way to cheat physics
Not sure why anybody would manipulate numbers if they Intend on doing real racing which is what we are talking about.
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Old 05-18-2014, 02:55 PM   #87
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It is easy to photo shop a dyno graph or manipulate a dyno to make it read higher than it actually is. Dyno is a tool and not the best way to measure the real hp output of a car. That's were drag racing comes into play. No way to cheat physics

Yeah this is a pretty weak statement. Sure it can be done. Does it happen often. No. Anybody who puts up real numbers knows at some time they'll have to put out. No sense saying you have xxxxhp and get beat down by someone with way less. Makes you look even more stupid. I don't agree with what's said here.

Although I do agree with the real racing doesn't lie. That being said. Step up Saad and race Kenton.


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Forgot to answer this. My car is setup so that if I hold the brake and gas at the same time it assumes something is wrong (aka stuck throttle etc) and kills the ignition/dbw. I can turn it off but didn't bother too as I was primarily going for trap speeds and wasn't to concerned with roll racing where it would have been beneficial to turn off.

Edit: I think its set to something like 3 seconds. I could also increase that to like 5 seconds.

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Not sure why anybody would manipulate numbers if they Intend on doing real racing which is what we are talking about.
"real racing" is a quarter mile at the drag strip so you know exactly how far you've gone, how much time it took and how fast you were traveling at the end of it. You can always take that information and convert it to an exact rwhp. Nothing is more exact then that.
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FYI....with a ProEFI using rolling anti-lag all you would have to do is hit a button and it will hold you at whatever speed you're at and go to the boost you have set. Very cool!

I like this feature a lot
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Yeah this is a pretty weak statement. Sure it can be done. Does it happen often. No. Anybody who puts up real numbers knows at some time they'll have to put out. No sense saying you have xxxxhp and get beat down by someone with way less. Makes you look even more stupid. I don't agree with what's said here.

Although I do agree with the real racing doesn't lie. That being said. Step up Saad and race Kenton.
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Now that is a weak statement. I'm always ready to race and back up my statements. You may need to talk to Kenton who wants to put conditions on the race, like I need to wear high heels to match his dress when we race. If he wants to race for 5k, I'll be there in a street M3 with a ProEFI and a Saad Racing Turbo kit, simple as that, but he would never race me because he knows better
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Now that is a weak statement. I'm always ready to race and back up my statements. You may need to talk to Kenton who wants to put conditions on the race, like I need to wear high heels to match his dress when we race. If he wants to race for 5k, I'll be there in a street M3 with a ProEFI and a Saad Racing Turbo kit, simple as that, but he would never race me because he knows better
If your willing to back up your talk, why don't you just show up and race then?
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I merely put realistic conditions on the race...Shop vs one man...ya that sounds like a smart move. Here I'll just open my wallet and race the guy who's gonna have a trailer full of tools, techs and a means of transport to and from the event. I'm driving my car there and back; no trailer; a handful of tools in my trunk; and maybe a friend that can help if something comes up. A street car which is what you advertise but it does not clearly drive on the street. You're running dual sets of 1100cc injectors with nitrous and a big single throttle right? That should be very streetable with the smaller injectors...show your customers that a Saad Racing Street Turbo M3 can drive to and back from an event reliably.
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I have no skin in this either way - but I have to agree a street car should be driven to the track before being raced. Isn't that the idea of street/strip?
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You should invite Andy Frost too, he has a street car...
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You should invite Andy Frost too, he has a street car...
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I have no skin in this either way - but I have to agree a street car should be driven to the track before being raced. Isn't that the idea of street/strip?
If I was going to one of these events, I would bring my car on a trailer. Statistically, I break my junk 50% of the time.

The 1/2 mile or 1 mile is much harder on an engine than the drag strip. It's one thing to do a 9 second pull through the gears, and quite another to spend 20 seconds at WOT. The last half, is exponentially higher load than the first half. Lots of cars fail at these events on the top end.

Also, I'm not fooled by Kenton's driving to and from the event. His car is well sorted, that's a fact, but he's too smart not to have plan "B" already in place. Regardless, plan "A" is to have a bullet-proof car, which seems to have been very well executed. It would take me years of development to get to that level...
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Now that is a weak statement. I'm always ready to race and back up my statements. You may need to talk to Kenton who wants to put conditions on the race, like I need to wear high heels to match his dress when we race. If he wants to race for 5k, I'll be there in a street M3 with a ProEFI and a Saad Racing Turbo kit, simple as that, but he would never race me because he knows better

Instead of throwing remarks about dresses out why not man up yourself and show the rest of us what you can do? Heck forget Kenton. Just trailer your car out and run it. But you won't. And we know it.


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Anthony i can tell you first hand it is a neat feature one click up on the ebrake the brake light comes up on the dash and off you go its truly a genius configuration
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Instead of throwing remarks about dresses out why not man up yourself and show the rest of us what you can do? Heck forget Kenton. Just trailer your car out and run it. But you won't. And we know it.


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If I was going to one of these events, I would bring my car on a trailer. Statistically, I break my junk 50% of the time.

The 1/2 mile or 1 mile is much harder on an engine than the drag strip. It's one thing to do a 9 second pull through the gears, and quite another to spend 20 seconds at WOT. The last half, is exponentially higher load than the first half. Lots of cars fail at these events on the top end.

Also, I'm not fooled by Kenton's driving to and from the event. His car is well sorted, that's a fact, but he's too smart not to have plan "B" already in place. Regardless, plan "A" is to have a bullet-proof car, which seems to have been very well executed. It would take me years of development to get to that level...
I'm currently sourcing a custom light aluminum trailer setup for the future so I can turn things up and be more comfortable for sure. There is no doubt a trailer is something of a necessity for stuff like this especially when you build a brand new shop car that you want to push to the limits and you know eventually it's going to break...hopefully not sooner but regardless **** happens. I know Saad won't commit to this...it has not proven it's reliability yet and it would definitely be out of the comfort zone that he's used to...can't blame him for that. But it is what it is...a shop car not owned by anyone but a business...vs. one enthusiast. Apples and Oranges. "If" he shows up and beats me...awesome, I'll congratulate him and offer to buy him a drink because that's the type of guy that I am. Sick of this bullshit where a shop owner constantly harasses a fellow car enthusiast who NEVER started any beef in the "first" place.

A year ago I asked James if he would sell a diff brace without a logo...and I got a reply from Saad...not James...shitting on me...up until that point I'd been nothing but friendly. Either way I haven't seen a Saad Turbo built M3 at ANY racing event yet...and with exception to the enthusiasts building their own setups...I doubt I'll see one for a while.
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