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Old 01-15-2020, 10:38 AM   #1
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Magnum R/T or keep 325XI

Well, I'm on the fence... I like my 325Xi touring, but she is not the fastest thing on the road. The driving experience is nice but miss having ample power. My 325 touring is an 2001 and has 92k miles on the clock.

I have the opportunity to pick up a well maintained (with records) Magnum R/T Hemi awd. Stock except for a cat back exhaust (sounds amazing). It has 142k miles. With proper maintenance the Hemi seems to have good longevity.... I will give up a little MPG but not much amazingly. When comparing real world MPG numbers on the fuelly website only couple MPG.

The above notwithstanding I have never driven a Magnum and also understand I am asking BMW lovers about a Dodge......
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Old 01-15-2020, 12:11 PM   #2
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also understand I am asking BMW lovers about a Dodge......
Don't think you'll find much support for the Dodge as far as drivability. If your wagon is in good working order and maintained well...maybe a supercharger is in order? They aren't as expensive as they used to be, especially if you DIY the install. Just one biased opinion.
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Old 01-15-2020, 12:34 PM   #3
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Don't think you'll find much support for the Dodge as far as drivability. If your wagon is in good working order and maintained well...maybe a supercharger is in order? They aren't as expensive as they used to be, especially if you DIY the install. Just one biased opinion.
Quick search showed a Vortech system for $4500 plus software. That is more than I paid for the car......
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Old 01-15-2020, 12:42 PM   #4
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The Magnum, albeit an uncommon vehicle, is built on/with common, proven hardware (Mercedes W210 chassis, Mercedes 5AT, stout 5.7L Hemi).

You'll have some nice advantages with it over your Touring. Drive it and see if it connects with you.

Out of curiosity, how much is it going for?
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Old 01-15-2020, 12:51 PM   #5
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It definitely sounds like you're leaning toward the Magnum. If you're prioritizing extra oomph, there aren't any cheap or easy solutions for your E46.

Personally, I think the Magnum is a crude, ugly car compared to the E46, but together with the extra muscle, that can have a certain appeal.

As Knight said, drive it and see if you like it.
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Old 01-15-2020, 01:57 PM   #6
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MOPAR or no car now??lol I did have a Dodge its a 01 Chrysler Town and country 3.3 poochmobile. Like they said, drive it see if you like it and if your local - let me check that 01 325xiT of yours before u sell it to everybody else.
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I think I would advise you to search for en e46 touring with the m54b30 in it, if such a thing exists? Or, gauge how much the Dodge will cost to buy vs. dropping an M3 motor into your touring.
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I think I would advise you to search for en e46 touring with the m54b30 in it, if such a thing exists?
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Or, gauge how much the Dodge will cost to buy vs. dropping an M3 motor into your touring.
Presumably he'd sell his E46 offset the cost of the Magnum, so that distorts the comparison somewhat.
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Out of curiosity, how much is it going for?
asking $6900

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Presumably he'd sell his E46 offset the cost of the Magnum, so that distorts the comparison somewhat.
Yup sell 325xi... After tires, cooling system rebuild, suspension bushings and new nav head unit I have $5600 in her. I would hope I could get that out of her....
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Old 01-15-2020, 06:48 PM   #12
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ive been looking for a nice Chrysler 300c. Same engine I believe. If you want more power you can't go wrong with a hemi
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Could just be the lighting but I'm not sure about the blacked-out wheels on the Dodge. Also - those things don't wear miles well. They just seem to get, well, 'tired' in the way an e46 doesn't.

Would your budget get you into an E60 wagon? Or, blasphemy on here perhaps, an S4 Avant?

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PS another former Dodge-owner here; '74 Charger a while back. Looked fantastic, drove like poo.
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I liked the Magnum when it came out, not crazy about the white though. The last Chrysler I had was a 95 Concorde, just basic transportation nothing to write home about. The 16 spark plugs in the hemi might make you feel like you're working on an overkill german car. lol
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Not a bad price if it's cosmetically clean and comes with detailed records.

Interesting to know how they drive. I've driven the Charger (ages ago) and a 300 (more recently) which share the platform and they were fine.
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Well, I'm on the fence... I like my 325Xi touring, but she is not the fastest thing on the road. The driving experience is nice but miss having ample power. My 325 touring is an 2001 and has 92k miles on the clock.

I have the opportunity to pick up a well maintained (with records) Magnum R/T Hemi awd. Stock except for a cat back exhaust (sounds amazing). It has 142k miles. With proper maintenance the Hemi seems to have good longevity.... I will give up a little MPG but not much amazingly. When comparing real world MPG numbers on the fuelly website only couple MPG.

The above notwithstanding I have never driven a Magnum and also understand I am asking BMW lovers about a Dodge......
Ive owned many of the 5.7 Hemi equipped cars. Depending on the year they are known for either dropping valve seats or the newer ones smoke cams because the MDS system uses substandard lifters which fail (lock up) and kill the cam lobe. Yes, the Hemi can easily do 250k miles, but those issues can creep up at any time.

My 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee had the lifter issue at around 130k miles (here is the thread if you want to see pics of the mangled lifter and cam). https://www.jeepgarage.org/threads/f...ost-2021148165

My previous 07 Grand cherokee (also with the 5.7 hemi) was of the dropped valve seat generation and I sold it with 165k miles having never had any major issues with that car. The Hemi can also be made to produce a substantial amount of power with headers, a cam and the 6.4L intake manifold.
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Ive owned many of the 5.7 Hemi equipped cars. Depending on the year they are known for either dropping valve seats or the newer ones smoke cams because the MDS system uses substandard lifters which fail (lock up) and kill the cam lobe. Yes, the Hemi can easily do 250k miles, but those issues can creep up at any time.

My 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee had the lifter issue at around 130k miles (here is the thread if you want to see pics of the mangled lifter and cam). https://www.jeepgarage.org/threads/f...ost-2021148165

My previous 07 Grand cherokee (also with the 5.7 hemi) was of the dropped valve seat generation and I sold it with 165k miles having never had any major issues with that car. The Hemi can also be made to produce a substantial amount of power with headers, a cam and the 6.4L intake manifold.
What are your thoughts on the SRT Hemi variants (6.1L and 6.4L)?
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As a professional mechanic, I would never, NEVER own a Dodge, Chrysler or Jeep vehicle. Ever. No matter how cool they are (and they are).
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Apaeagle- can you elaborate? I know many Chrysler product that have over 200k miles with no major repairs. I know they got a bad rap back in the day with the trans in minivans but thought the newer stuff was pretty solid.
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Apaeagle- can you elaborate? I know many Chrysler product that have over 200k miles with no major repairs. I know they got a bad rap back in the day with the trans in minivans but thought the newer stuff was pretty solid.
Lots of bad designs and execution all over the place. I can not tell you how many Chrysler engines I have condemned due to coolant/oil mix from leaking water pumps. All of the engines that ended in .7 seemed to be plagued by this. Electrical issues that simply can not be found and solved. Why on earth would Dodge, and only dodge, mount a battery temperature probe in a vehicle? Then mount it under the battery where corrosion eats it then causes a ton of electrical faults that never quite tell you to look at the probe. I have replaced a handful of engine ECU units with failed injector drivers. If the vehicle is over 10 years old good luck getting one from Dodge, they will not support it any more and aftermarket is no good because they are VIN matched to the car/truck. Speaking of ECU's, many models of Chryslers still mount their control for the alternator on the main board. Get a bad short, cook your ECU.

Those are things I actually see. The other is harder to quantify. I just feel, from working on them, that their quality is very poor. This was confirmed when I saw one of those "how it's made" shows of the pentastar engine factory. Unless you know what you are looking at, you may not pick things up, but, the attention to detail and the care in which those motors were being assembled was laughable at best. It was like Cletus and Jethro ran their production with their 3rd grade education. Just watching the video, as an engineer and mechanic, confirmed my belief that I would NEVER own one of their vehicles. One shot showed two guys stuffing piston rod assemblies into a motor. They were working from either side. One guy took the assembly, and then rotated the rings to make sure the ring gaps were positioned properly. The other guy (might be Cletus's cousin) just grabbed them off the shelf and stuffed them without even looking at the rings. I guess that future owner will just have to deal with reduced power and increased oil burn, oh well.

Compare that to the same type of shows showing BMW, Mercedes and Porsche engines being built. The factories were probably cleaner than a surgery room. Every part was matched to every other part for a motor. Piston/rod assemblies were grouped based on weights so the engine was balanced. The tech assembled them with the utmost care and precision. Such a difference.
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