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Old 10-22-2007, 01:59 AM   #81
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:14 AM   #82
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Technically, it's not applicable for cars after the 10/00 production, but prior to that there was a service bulletin issued about incorrect torque on the front sway bar mounts. Apparently the mounting bolts had paint on them and would read as fully torqued when actually still a little loose. The resulting symptom is described as "..a clunking or cracking noise from the front of the car when making turns at slow speeds."

I'd suggest checking this anyway, along with the other suspension bits, to see if anything is loose or has play in it. Has the dealer already done this, or do you have any records of what the dealer has done?
Yes, been to dealer and its the classic "could not reproduce the problem"
It takes a few dozen miles (after sitting overnight) for the problem to occur again. Once its happening, it does it all day. I will be sending it in again but only after getting it to happen and driving it there for them to witness.

My symptom is a little different from others. Once "warmed" the resistant feel in the wheel only occurs when turning left 2-to-4" from straight. The tension in the steering wheel builds up and then its a definite load "click/clunk" noise that seems to be coming from somewhere in the column (I say this from how it feels only).

I do not get the noise when turning the same method right from straight.

The tech bulliten you sent does not seem to be the same issue but I do appreciate the help.

So far the dealer has repalced all the brakes (rotors and pads) and the control arm bushings.

Any thoughts? I am wanting to lean toward blaming this lower flex joint.
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:28 AM   #83
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Yes, been to dealer and its the classic "could not reproduce the problem"
It takes a few dozen miles (after sitting overnight) for the problem to occur again. Once its happening, it does it all day. I will be sending it in again but only after getting it to happen and driving it there for them to witness.

My symptom is a little different from others. Once "warmed" the resistant feel in the wheel only occurs when turning left 2-to-4" from straight. The tension in the steering wheel builds up and then its a definite load "click/clunk" noise that seems to be coming from somewhere in the column (I say this from how it feels only).

I do not get the noise when turning the same method right from straight.

The tech bulliten you sent does not seem to be the same issue but I do appreciate the help.

So far the dealer has repalced all the brakes (rotors and pads) and the control arm bushings.

Any thoughts? I am wanting to lean toward blaming this lower flex joint.
In the second tech doc I posted "steering diagnosis" - there's couple things that seem to match your description of the problem -
* dirt in the steering system
* sucking in air
* faulty pressure relief valve in the power steering pump
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:30 AM   #84
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In the second tech doc I posted "steering diagnosis" - there's couple things that seem to match your description of the problem -
* dirt in the steering system
* sucking in air
* faulty pressure relief valve in the power steering pump
Really? But, why only when turning in one direction (left)?
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:42 AM   #85
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Really? But, why only when turning in one direction (left)?
Perhaps you've got dirt in one line but not the other, or perhaps there's a seal leak on one side but not the other.

Hard to say exactly, but it's certainly possible. For example, while I was in college I had power steering on a 1970 Mustang that only worked when turning left. Looking back, it's rather funny how much time and effort I spent figuring out how to get places only making left turns rather than fixing the problem.
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Perhaps you've got dirt in one line but not the other, or perhaps there's a seal leak on one side but not the other.

Hard to say exactly, but it's certainly possible. For example, while I was in college I had power steering on a 1970 Mustang that only worked when turning left. Looking back, it's rather funny how much time and effort I spent figuring out how to get places only making left turns rather than fixing the problem.
Only when in college would you have to make such a decision...

"fix the car or beer money ... humm????"

Thanks for the ideas!
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Old 10-22-2007, 12:03 PM   #87
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I'll be ordering this part and putting it in.. i'll add it to my maintence plan.. Great post.. Thanks

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nice. well here my problem i dont no if that is it. everytime i turn the wheel or hear a bump i hear a clunking clicking sound. i hope that is it so i can change it. its driving me nuts
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Old 10-22-2007, 12:19 PM   #89
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so if i have that knocking noise when turing left to right it would be part number 2 right and also number 1. tnx alot guys. you guys rock
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In the second tech doc I posted "steering diagnosis" - there's couple things that seem to match your description of the problem -
* dirt in the steering system
* sucking in air
* faulty pressure relief valve in the power steering pump
How might heat play a role in this? I have been noticing the problem a bit less over the past few days.

I noticed in the parts picture breakdown that there is a
cooler pipe on the steer rack mechanism.

Coincidently, the outside temp has been less and I have not used the A/C as much. Both together should cause things to run a bit cooler.

Could heat cause this fluid breakdown creating air in the lines?
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Old 10-22-2007, 05:40 PM   #91
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anybody knows if this steering wheels problem covered by the CPO warranty?

steering wheels on my car have this clanking noise and play (kinda loose) when just turn it 2" to the left and right
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Old 10-22-2007, 06:23 PM   #92
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How might heat play a role in this? I have been noticing the problem a bit less over the past few days.

I noticed in the parts picture breakdown that there is a
cooler pipe on the steer rack mechanism.

Coincidently, the outside temp has been less and I have not used the A/C as much. Both together should cause things to run a bit cooler.

Could heat cause this fluid breakdown creating air in the lines?
Heat changes things, oil viscosity goes down, parts expand at different rates, if there's dirt in the system more of it may be in motion once the system is warmed up.
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:51 PM   #93
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Heat changes things, oil viscosity goes down, parts expand at different rates, if there's dirt in the system more of it may be in motion once the system is warmed up.
The fluid was an ugly brown when I peaked into the PS reserve yesterday.

I bought 2 quarts of Mobil 1 synthetic ATF and a $2 turkey bayster and I will be doing the "bail and fill" flush technique this weekend.

I can only help the situation
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:48 PM   #94
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burj 323 (or anyone/everyone else),

I dont know if I am having this problem (and thus whether I should apply the fix). Here is my situation:

My cars steering SUX. I spent the last 9 years driving e36's and the steering was one of the main reasons I fell in love with BMW. Everywhere I go the car steered like a racecar. Perfect amount of road vibrations passed through to the wheel, great steering, especially at highway speeds. I ALWAYS felt like I was in 100% total control....

...now I'm driving an e46 (ZHP) and the steering SUX. It doesnt just suk, it SUX SUX SUX. Comparatively that is. The steering is very lite, especially on the highway. Its got almost an inch of play on either side. But if i go much more than that then it feels like I'll yank the car out of control. Basically I feel as if I am almost driving a truck. I freakin hate having this car on the highway.

No clunking, no scraping - none of that stuff.

So the qstn is, is this just the way the e46 is compared to the e36? If so, is there something I can adjust? Or is there something wrong that needs to be fixed (like at the beginning of this post).

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So the qstn is, is this just the way the e46 is compared to the e36? If so, is there something I can adjust? Or is there something wrong that needs to be fixed (like at the beginning of this post).
Something's wrong.

I'd suggest starting with a good alignment (and be sure to get a copy of the report)
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Old 10-25-2007, 09:36 AM   #96
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The fluid was an ugly brown when I peaked into the PS reserve yesterday.

I bought 2 quarts of Mobil 1 synthetic ATF and a $2 turkey bayster and I will be doing the "bail and fill" flush technique this weekend.

I can only help the situation
Couldn't wait and did it last night. Five "bail and fiill" cycles and lot's of paper towels, the fluid looks much cleaner (though not prefectly red, I can see the bottom of the refill container now).

One note, my wife came into the garage in the middle of the process and exclaimed "What's that smell? Its awful." More proof that the fluid was obviously less than ideal.

After 20 mile drive to work this morning the "click/clunk" noise problem has not occur again. I'll report back again in about a week or so with an update.

Spread the word - the "lifetime" power steering fluid claim is probably bogus and will cause more problems in the long run.

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Old 11-02-2007, 04:47 PM   #97
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After 20 mile drive to work this morning the "click/clunk" noise problem has not occur again. I'll report back again in about a week or so with an update.

Spread the word - the "lifetime" power steering fluid claim is probably bogus and will cause more problems in the long run.
Well, the problem is 95% better but I can still occasionally feel a slight clunk-like sensation in the wheel.

Its possible that I am simply hyper-sensitive now looking for the noise.
Overall I'm much happier now that I changed the fluid.

Its was obvious that dirty burnt fluid was definitely the problem and
probably still have some dirt down deep in the PS system.
A true flush may be the only way to get it all.

Thanks to all for the help.
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Well that's good news - I also suspect you are correct about the likelihood of some residual amount of contamination in the system.

The other possibility, besides merely being hyper-sensitive, is that you had more than one issue, with the oil condition only making up 95% of the problem. Not to make you paranoid though...
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The other possibility, besides merely being hyper-sensitive, is that you had more than one issue, with the oil condition only making up 95% of the problem. Not to make you paranoid though...
Oh sure thanks a lot - feed my hyper sensitive paranoia and insecurities why don't you!!! :-)
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Old 01-09-2008, 06:06 AM   #100
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Does anyone here have a European spec 330ci/330i that has or has had the steering play problem?

The reason I ask is that the part is slightly different on my mine:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...42&hg=32&fg=30

Part #2 is not fitted to my car, instead I have part #4.

Does anyone know if part #4 incorporates the rubber bushing that goes bad? Or whether replacing part #4 will fix the steering play issue?
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