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Old 03-12-2007, 06:22 PM   #1
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Lexus IS vs 3series

im looking at a 01 IS how do u guys think this compares to say my current 00 323i (performance, reliability)

to tell u the truth im prolly gonna sell my car(previous owner musta been horrible cuz i get a new "minor problem every other day") n get another 3 w/ less miles but i know toyota/lexus are pretty reliable wondering if that'd be a better choice
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Old 03-12-2007, 06:57 PM   #2
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I am in the same boat, my 3 series also seems to have "minor" and major problems all the time. I am getting tired of bringing it to the shop every month or two. It sucks when my friend owns a lexus IS300 from 01 and he never has to do anything to it but regular maint.

I am considering an IS250 or 350 soon. Only downside is my BMW is paid off and no car payments rock.
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^^You're gonna hear a lot of arguments like that here.

In terms of reliability- yes the Lexus is gonna wipe the BMW around.

In terms of driver feel- it's like comparing apples to oranges.
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Old 03-12-2007, 07:36 PM   #5
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At the end of the day the Bmw is still a Bmw but the Lexus is really a Toyota
Except that said Toyota is a pretty good car. What's your point?

The IS300 is probably the closest analogue to the 3 series available from Japan. The 300 was an inline six and the car has race credentials. It also has, as you pointed out, impeccable reliability (that engine is one of the sturdiest made by Toyota).

It also has a hideous boy-racer interior, horrible gas mileage, and a small interior/trunk.

Depends on what your priorities are and what is your style.
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Old 03-12-2007, 07:48 PM   #6
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The IS300 is a great car, iron block and LSD! But I dont think the 01 IS300 is as reliable compared to an e46.
Your used car is a 00, I am also guessing that it has not had a tune up for awhile.
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Old 03-12-2007, 07:54 PM   #7
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The IS300 is a great car, iron block and LSD! But, 01 IS300 is not that reliable compared to an e46. I am not talking about electrical or maintenance, I am talking about under the hood.

Your used car is a 00, I am also guessing that it has not had a tune up for awhile.
Your information about the 01 Lexus being unreliable "under the hood" is not true at all. The engine in that was carried over from the Supra and GS300 (itself an adaptation of an earlier range). The mechanicals have been used for years. I have seen the engines with over 300k on them (I drove mine to 180 with no problems whatsoever - didn't even drink oil at that age). Even though it was the first year, I would not stay away from it ....stay away from an 01 IS because of the nasty interior (they upgraded it right away) if anything. I know of many folks who have had '01 ISs and don't know of any that have had engine problems.

I am not trying to be an advocate for the Lexus - just trying to be honest. Obviously the bulk of the people on this forum will tell you to stick with BMW. You know how I went when deciding between the two.
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Old 03-12-2007, 07:55 PM   #8
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I would take the IS300...

Better reliability, cheaper maintenance as well as mods, not sacrificing much class or luxury. Also, like someone said the 2JZ-GE engine is closely related to the 2JZ of Supras. Not to mention, a turbo kit would only cost a fraction of a SS kit for any 3series.
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I shopped at cars a few months ago and I picked a 07 Lexus IS250 over the new 3.

So my vote goes to the IS300. Reliablity comes first for me at my stage in life.
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Old 03-12-2007, 08:12 PM   #10
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I would take the IS300...

Better reliability, cheaper maintenance as well as mods, not sacrificing much class or luxury. Also, like someone said the 2JZ-GE engine is closely related to the 2JZ of Supras. Not to mention, a turbo kit would only cost a fraction of a SS kit for any 3series.
wow another thing i like about the lexus is that the steering is nice and firm like the 3 though its not as good looking especially the interior. and a cheaper turbo kit would definitly be a plus if i decide to go that route. my moms lexus is up 180k and runs beautifully, reliability is all lexus its just its gonna hurt not having a bimmer
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I shopped at cars a few months ago and I picked a 07 Lexus IS250 over the new 3.

So my vote goes to the IS300. Reliablity comes first for me at my stage in life.
The IS250 and IS300 are completely different animals with almost nothing in common other than being named IS, being rear wheel drive, and targeted at BMW.
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The IS250 and IS300 are completely different animals with almost nothing in common other than being named IS, being rear wheel drive, and targeted at BMW.
Agreed and the old IS300 will outperform the new IS250 which is a slug.


Its really ashamed that your car wasnt taken care of well.

My 323 has 160k now and runs like a dream. But you have to maintain it.

On the other end of the spectrum my friends fiance's Is300 which was an 02 was about to fall apart when she returned it but she never maintained it at all.

If your car was maintained will I would absolutely keep it over the IS300, not that I dislike it but I dont think it was ever quite in the 3 series league. Its not a bad car but it was not really thought out either it was an existing car in Japan that they upgraded a few parts to and threw it into competition against the 3.

The interior was no where near up to par as the other Lexus's and definitely not as nice as the 3 or the A4 in which it competed with. All these short comings are why it had less then stellar sales.

The new IS is a completely different car and definitely up to par with the rest of the Lexus lineup and also a great competitor for the 3 series.

Just remember buying any used car its all about maintenance, you are just as likely to get a bad IS as you are a bad 3 if you dont do your research.
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One thing I consider a plus for the IS300 interiors is the nav system that comes out of the dash. It also seems to me as if 3ers are more common to IS300s, although that may be dependant on area.
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I considered getting an IS300 before my 3 also. It's definitely a nice car, although I didn't like the interior much.
Personally, I'd stick w/ the 323 or upgrade to a 330, but the IS300 isn't bad at all.
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Old 03-12-2007, 09:34 PM   #15
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PLEASE.........PLEASE.........PLEASE.......stay with the German engineering.

Going over to LEXOTA is like Darth Vader doing a richards simmons impersonation. It just isn't right!!

The lexus has great looks, and solid reliability.

So what ?

Where's the passion ?

The confidence?

Are you willing to purchase a flying rice pattie over an E46 ?

Don't do it man......come to your senses.
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At the end of the day the Bmw is still a Bmw but the Lexus is really a Toyota
To me Toyota is Toyota, Lex is Lex and Bimmer is a Bimmer. I would take Bimmer any day over both of those names. I never had lex but know they really good however I've been in Toyotas allot for past 9 years and they are great. Im actually in the market for 1 for my brother and will get it very soon. Can't go wrong with the reliability and since i had so many I know its the make I can trust on. Im going for either Corolla or Camry still have to think but def will get one. As for my bimmer I would not trade it for 5 camrys Im too attached to it and def will look for bimmer as my next car.
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My choices for my first car came down to:

1. IS300
2. 330xi
3. A4

I test drove the IS300, it was fun, because this was the first time I test drove a car. It felt sporty, but very smooth.

I didn't even test drive the BMW and bought it, because I was confident that the 3-series was pure driving pleasure. And I was more than happy to have made the correct decision. When you're driving a BMW you're one with the road, and that's what makes it the ultimate driving machine.

+ IS300 is for little Asian boys. I can say this because I am one too (but smart enough to have stuck with German Engineering)

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Old 03-12-2007, 10:43 PM   #19
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Your information about the 01 Lexus being unreliable "under the hood" is not true at all. The engine in that was carried over from the Supra and GS300 (itself an adaptation of an earlier range). The mechanicals have been used for years. I have seen the engines with over 300k on them (I drove mine to 180 with no problems whatsoever - didn't even drink oil at that age). Even though it was the first year, I would not stay away from it ....stay away from an 01 IS because of the nasty interior (they upgraded it right away) if anything. I know of many folks who have had '01 ISs and don't know of any that have had engine problems.

I am not trying to be an advocate for the Lexus - just trying to be honest. Obviously the bulk of the people on this forum will tell you to stick with BMW. You know how I went when deciding between the two.

Well actually the 2000 323i is as reliable to the IS300 or more from my experiences. Other non 3 series is not as reliable.

Typical part changes for IS300:

A/C Compressor $850
Alternator $540
Automatic Transmission or Transaxle $2,550
Brakes $870
Constant Velocity Joints $1,950
Exhaust System $765
Radiator $780
Shocks and/or Struts $2,990
Timing Chain or Belt $340

Total:$11,635

Typical part changes for 323i:

A/C Compressor $770
Alternator $640
Automatic Transmission or Transaxle $810
Brakes $445
Clutch, Pressure Plate, Bearing $725
Constant Velocity Joints $1,235
Exhaust System $895
Radiator $650
Shocks and/or Struts $1,320
Timing Chain or Belt $415

Total: $7,905

Also, the 2000 323i has one recall; brake-lamp switch could fail internally, remaining either in "off" or "on" position; brake lamps would then either not operate or be continuously illuminated.

Performance: IS300
Reliability: 323i

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There is no such thing as a 2001 323i in the US
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