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Old 10-29-2018, 02:47 PM   #41
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I see Americans aren't the only ones who are slaves and don't own anything. (If you pay tax on something, you don't own it.) The annual taxes on autos are a form of rent--the State or whomever accepts the registration of a vehicle is the owner. You are merely the operator. Don't feel so bad, Europeans, we Americans suffer theft in other ways, even if the car tax and fuel costs are lower for us. Also, we are required to pay for insurance on cars, whether or not we want it.
Insurance is required in one way or another as a form of financial responsibility in case you hit someone and you're found to be at fault. In some states, in lieu of a policy, you can put up 50k cash. Insurance is also is a requirement as part of a loan so the rightful owner of the car (the financial institution that funded it) has their interests protected.

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The above just defies all common sense and logic.
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Excellent move. This will encourage more efficient means of transportation including the purchase of more fuel efficient cars. And will continue cutting back on pollution. Win/win.
Geez, cut that state loose already and let them do their socialist experiment without infecting the rest of the country... You couldn't pay me enough to live in CA.

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I see Americans aren't the only ones who are slaves and don't own anything. (If you pay tax on something, you don't own it.) The annual taxes on autos are a form of rent--the State or whomever accepts the registration of a vehicle is the owner. You are merely the operator. Don't feel so bad, Europeans, we Americans suffer theft in other ways, even if the car tax and fuel costs are lower for us. Also, we are required to pay for insurance on cars, whether or not we want it.
No one's being forced to pay car insurance who doesn't have a car. By that reasoning it's not a tax. Health insurance on the other hand...

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Old 10-29-2018, 03:11 PM   #44
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I see Americans aren't the only ones who are slaves and don't own anything. (If you pay tax on something, you don't own it.) The annual taxes on autos are a form of rent--the State or whomever accepts the registration of a vehicle is the owner. You are merely the operator. Don't feel so bad, Europeans, we Americans suffer theft in other ways, even if the car tax and fuel costs are lower for us. Also, we are required to pay for insurance on cars, whether or not we want it.
So do we. But on the birght side: in 95% of the cases, our insurances come trough. Afaik, in USA you pay your ass off on insurances, and when the situation occurs that you need them, they are like "yeaaah but it doesn't cover this particular situation". Well besides paying road / registration tax, we are also the #1 highest taxpayers in general on a worldwide scale
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So do we. But on the birght side: in 95% of the cases, our insurances come trough. Afaik, in USA you pay your ass off on insurances, and when the situation occurs that you need them, they are like "yeaaah but it doesn't cover this particular situation". Well besides paying road / registration tax, we are also the #1 highest taxpayers in general on a worldwide scale
Yes because an insurance policy is a contract. One party agrees to pay money in exchange for benefits listed within the document. You can't claim something outside of those four corners of said contract. That means there are things that won't be covered. There are policies like that but they're not for the common man. Things in life aren't free.

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I'd had a feeling that this thread was going to turn into a political ishtshow, and it didn't take long.
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Yes because an insurance policy is a contract. One party agrees to pay money in exchange for benefits listed within the document. You can't claim something outside of those four corners of said contract. That means there are things that won't be covered. There are policies like that but they're not for the common man. Things in life aren't free.

Gotta love these kinds of posts...
JFC, you act like an insurance company has never tried to weasel out of paying for something even though its covered.

Are you being inflammatory on purpose? Please just leave again, the site was much better.
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JFC, you act like an insurance company has never tried to weasel out of paying for something even though its covered.

Are you being inflammatory on purpose? Please just leave again, the site was much better.
The first step in the claims procedure is the Weasel step. They call them Claims Assessors.
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Nope - I am middle of the road cause neither party is right and do not belong to any party. Nor will I stoop to your level with names.
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Nope - I am middle of the road cause neither party is right and do not belong to any party. Nor will I stoop to your level with names.
Loosely translated as : "I got nothing".
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Geez, cut that state loose already and let them do their socialist experiment without infecting the rest of the country... You couldn't pay me enough to live in CA.
Having a problem with facts, I see. CA's GDP rivals the UK.

How's that for an experiment



You wouldn't be using any of the things you're using, devices, phones internet, any of the shows you watch, or hell even the E46 you drive without California. This is where dreams are realized, bud. The Platinum Standard.
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Having a problem with facts, I see. CA's GDP rivals the UK.

How's that for an experiment



You wouldn't be using any of the things you're using, devices, phones internet, any of the shows you watch, or hell even the E46 you drive without California. This is where dreams are realized, bud. The Platinum Standard.
Wow I really must've touched a nerve to be responded to. I considered it a badge of honor that I was on your perma-ignore list.

Ah, the logical fallacy that just b/c those products were developed in CA, they couldn't have been developed anywhere else. Folks like you on the Left have a real problem with the because of / in spite of dichotomy.

Go be your own country. Seriously. Good riddance.

Also, I couldn't drive my E46 without California??
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Having a problem with facts, I see. CA's GDP rivals the UK.

How's that for an experiment



You wouldn't be using any of the things you're using, devices, phones internet, any of the shows you watch, or hell even the E46 you drive without California. This is where dreams are realized, bud. The Platinum Standard.
Which would be wonderful except : According to a January 2017 study, "California state and local governments owe $1.3 trillion as of June 30, 2015." The study was based on "a review of federal, state and local financial disclosures." In other words, that $1.3 trillion in debt is the amount to which California governments admit. Other studies believe it to be more. Indeed, one study says it is actually $2.3 trillion and a recent Hoover Institute stated that there is over $1 trillion in pension liability alone, or $76,884 per household. Your share of that is $76,884 apparently. At some point Gerry, or his successor, is gonna want you to cough it up and they ain't gonna take no for an answer. That's why 6 million tax paying, midde class Californians have left in the last decade. Because they could see what's coming and got the hell outa there before sidewalk tent life became their only option. I could go onh but I will stop there. Suffice to say that the "experiment" doesn't sound like it's producing positive outcomes to me. Quite the opposite. You can only keep the shti away from the fan for so long. GDP is not the only thing that matters.

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Having a problem with facts, I see. CA's GDP rivals the UK.

How's that for an experiment



You wouldn't be using any of the things you're using, devices, phones internet, any of the shows you watch, or hell even the E46 you drive without California. This is where dreams are realized, bud. The Platinum Standard.
I just spotted this vid on the net and watched it. My thoughts turned to you as a SoCalite and I wondered whether you are aware of the state that your State is in. I am not being facetious her or antagonistic. It's a serious question. What do you think about these comments in this video. Doesn't it bother you?


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Excellent move. This will encourage more efficient means of transportation including the purchase of more fuel efficient cars. And will continue cutting back on pollution. Win/win.
Just came back to this thread. This rationale is somewhat of a slippery slope and one reason why our state is becoming increasingly unaffordable for the middle and lower end of the economic scale. Those that can afford a tesla or to keep a Nissan leaf as an extra car will have no problem with rising gas costs and to keep raising them over time. Why stop at $5 a gallon if $9 a gallon would "incentivize" even more people? In the abstract it makes sense, but in practice there are real tradeoffs.

For many these extra costs just impose a real and significant burden. I'm not against electric cars but they are not for everone and don't work for everyone. Same with the Prius & Chevy Volt. Here in Bay Area the cost of living is very, very high overall, and adding to that in such a fundamental way will be a real negative.

Over the long run what I find interesting is that when I was a kid in the 80s it was the left/Democrats that were fighting to keep energy costs (like utilities and gasoline) low to help working families get ahead. Today that script seems reversed. Just an observation.
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Just came back to this thread. This rationale is somewhat of a slippery slope and one reason why our state is becoming increasingly unaffordable for the middle and lower end of the economic scale. Those that can afford a tesla or to keep a Nissan leaf as an extra car will have no problem with rising gas costs and to keep raising them over time. Why stop at $5 a gallon if $9 a gallon would "incentivize" even more people? In the abstract it makes sense, but in practice there are real tradeoffs.

For many these extra costs just impose a real and significant burden. I'm not against electric cars but they are not for everone and don't work for everyone. Same with the Prius & Chevy Volt. Here in Bay Area the cost of living is very, very high overall, and adding to that in such a fundamental way will be a real negative.

Over the long run what I find interesting is that when I was a kid in the 80s it was the left/Democrats that were fighting to keep energy costs (like utilities and gasoline) low to help working families get ahead. Today that script seems reversed. Just an observation.
When you live in a tent on the sidewalk with the entire subway and miles of pavement to take a dump on you don't really need gas and utilities so that's not a concern for the Democrats any more. You should watch that video I posted. It isn't getting any better by all accounts.
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When you live in a tent on the sidewalk with the entire subway and miles of pavement to take a dump on you don't really need gas and utilities so that's not a concern for the Democrats any more. You should watch that video I posted. It isn't getting any better by all accounts.
Plenty of homeless live out of their cars in this area. Or, commute hours each way in order to afford a place to live out in Tracy/Stockton area or Fairfield/Vacaville. The street homeless that the news & visitors focus on are just the most visible aspect. I saw that video, there is some oversimplification in it but also some truth as well. I've had friends move out of state because HQ left for cheaper and less burdensome locales. Depends on the industry. (Edit: I know people who commute out of state entirely during the week (by plane of course) to keep their jobs but can't pick up and move for family/other reasons.)

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