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Old 06-12-2011, 01:40 PM   #1
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SAP removal

I have been searching for the last couple days and Have not found what I am looking for.

Sense I have headers on my car the SAP is pointless and The EGR valve that is connected to the block broke, where the two nuts going into the block broke in half. I meant to take pictures but my camera would not focus right.

I was wondering if I can have a machine shop fabricate a block off plate? I already unplugged the SAP it was making some pretty loud noises. And throwing up codes.

The codes that came up: 245 secondary air pump system low flow, 246 secondary air injection system too low flow, 228 o2 bank 2 control deviation, 227 o2 bank 1 deviation

When I removed the SAP I noticed that the a tube rotted so I replaced it.

O2 codes I think are because of the headers. Correct me if I am wrong on that.

Also the oil pressure line that feeds the variable cam timing system is leaking. They also said that the oil pan is leaking but when I was under there did not seem like it was and the leak was coming from the oil filter housing gasket and the oil line.


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Old 06-12-2011, 03:16 PM   #2
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Old 06-12-2011, 08:07 PM   #3
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60 views and still no input on this???
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Old 06-12-2011, 09:35 PM   #4
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Is your car pre 2003 or 2003+???

If its pre 2003, you're in the today.

http://www.google.ca/search?q=sap+de...ient=firefox-a

http://www.e46fanatics.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=828355

Next time search harder. All I did was used the power of my favorite website, Google.

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Old 06-12-2011, 09:53 PM   #5
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But thanks for the link to realoem. That is what I needed.

Has anyone on this site done a SAP removal?

I just read over the DIY SAP Sim with out downloading the PDF.

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Old 06-12-2011, 10:23 PM   #6
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Yes, people have done it.

What do you need to know exactly?

What year is your car?
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Old 06-12-2011, 10:34 PM   #7
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2002 325i sense I put headers on I do not need SAP and there is not SMOG testing in my area. So I want to remove it. I am trying to get the diagnostic software to code the car but I have not got around to downloading it all.
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The man who did the DIY also sells the SIM already complete, no need to make your own BTW.

If you do code your car to a Euro software you wont need the sim. Its up to you if you want to make a sim or Euro tune it. because if you do Euro tune it the sim becomes useless.

You're very lucky that you have no smog testing in your area. I'm actually jealous, soooo much potential .....
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Dont know how much potential the 325 has. I am just trying to get all the crap that I dont need off. And I really want to do the Euro tune just dont want to mess my car up.
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The real answer on OP's question is to flash EU3 software into DME:
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=833136
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1628787
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1624296
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Old 07-10-2011, 12:11 PM   #11
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2002 325i sense I put headers on I do not need SAP and there is not SMOG testing in my area. So I want to remove it. I am trying to get the diagnostic software to code the car but I have not got around to downloading it all.
Even if there is no smog your are still breaking federal anti-tampering law FYI.

I would suggest you not advertise that fact....
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The only way to say if there is a violation or not is to measure exhaust gases. There is no law that says you must have SAP. And since OP doesn't have SMOG test in his state I don't see how he violates anything.
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Old 07-10-2011, 02:40 PM   #13
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The only way to say if there is a violation or not is to measure exhaust gases. There is no law that says you must have SAP. And since OP doesn't have SMOG test in his state I don't see how he violates anything.
REMOVING any component of the factory emissions system is tampering. I have had this discussion before, I don't wish to start another whole war . I was just informing the OP he can make his own decisions of what he wants to do once he has the facts


Tampering means to modify, remove, render inoperative, cause to be removed, or make less
operative any air pollution emission control device or element of design installed on a motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine which results in an increase in emissions beyond established
federal motor vehicle standards. Tampering includes, but is not limited to, any of the
following:
(a) Removing or rendering inoperative such devices as catalytic converter, air pump, or
EGR valve,

(b) Disconnecting or plugging vacuum lines or electrical or mechanical portions of the
pollution control system such as electrical solenoids or vacuum-activated valves,
(c) Modifying a motor vehicle’s emission control design to other than the manufacturer’s
specifications,
(d) Installing any replacement part that is not equivalent in design and function to the part
that was originally on the motor vehicle,
(e) Adding a part on a motor vehicle that does not meet the manufacturer’s specifications,
such as installation of dual carburetors to replace a single carburetor, or installing a
dual exhaust prior to the catalytic converter on a vehicle that was manufactured as
single exhaust only,
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Old 07-10-2011, 03:08 PM   #14
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REMOVING any component of the factory emissions system is tampering. I have had this discussion before, I don't wish to start another whole war . I was just informing the OP he can make his own decisions of what he wants to do once he has the facts


Tampering means to modify, remove, render inoperative, cause to be removed, or make less
operative any air pollution emission control device or element of design installed on a motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine which results in an increase in emissions beyond established
federal motor vehicle standards. Tampering includes, but is not limited to, any of the
following:
(a) Removing or rendering inoperative such devices as catalytic converter, air pump, or
EGR valve,

(b) Disconnecting or plugging vacuum lines or electrical or mechanical portions of the
pollution control system such as electrical solenoids or vacuum-activated valves,
(c) Modifying a motor vehicle’s emission control design to other than the manufacturer’s
specifications,
(d) Installing any replacement part that is not equivalent in design and function to the part
that was originally on the motor vehicle,
(e) Adding a part on a motor vehicle that does not meet the manufacturer’s specifications,
such as installation of dual carburetors to replace a single carburetor, or installing a
dual exhaust prior to the catalytic converter on a vehicle that was manufactured as
single exhaust only,
Do you just troll the boards saying the same stuff over and over again? I think once was enough.
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Do you just troll the boards saying the same stuff over and over again? I think once was enough.
It gets quite old. He manages a auto mechanic place so he has to abide by the law. He can't just say sure do this and that.

take that valve out order the block plate and plug up the vacuum valve and call it a day.
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REMOVING any component of the factory emissions system is tampering. I have had this discussion before, I don't wish to start another whole war . I was just informing the OP he can make his own decisions of what he wants to do once he has the facts


Tampering means to modify, remove, render inoperative, cause to be removed, or make less
operative any air pollution emission control device or element of design installed on a motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine which results in an increase in emissions beyond established
federal motor vehicle standards. Tampering includes, but is not limited to, any of the
following:
(a) Removing or rendering inoperative such devices as catalytic converter, air pump, or
EGR valve,

(b) Disconnecting or plugging vacuum lines or electrical or mechanical portions of the
pollution control system such as electrical solenoids or vacuum-activated valves,
(c) Modifying a motor vehicle’s emission control design to other than the manufacturer’s
specifications,
(d) Installing any replacement part that is not equivalent in design and function to the part
that was originally on the motor vehicle,
(e) Adding a part on a motor vehicle that does not meet the manufacturer’s specifications,
such as installation of dual carburetors to replace a single carburetor, or installing a
dual exhaust prior to the catalytic converter on a vehicle that was manufactured as
single exhaust only,
Do you understand that I don't care. I made that very clear when I said there is no smog where I am at. Please leave your epa copy and paste coments to your self this is why know one ever finds what they want because threads get flooded with Damn trolls and we all can never find what we were looking for.

This thread was about removing SAP if you have no input that is relevant to that then don't post.

Only people that should be posting, should be someone interested in removing SAP or someone with information on how to remove SAP

Thanks to everyone that keep the thread on track

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I posted relvant info to the procces thats all. I wanted anyone searching to know that while it works its a federal offense. That is relevant if you dont care thats fine. We all make our own choices in life. I only copy and pasted it as someone said there was no law. I provided proof there was.

My intent was to make one post and leave it be.

As for the troll comment I post in many topics offering help and advise as well.
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I posted relvant info to the procces thats all. I wanted anyone searching to know that while it works its a federal offense. That is relevant if you dont care thats fine. We all make our own choices in life. I only copy and pasted it as someone said there was no law. I provided proof there was.

My intent was to make one post and leave it be.

As for the troll comment I post in many topics offering help and advise as well.
Epa stuff was irrelevant to what my original thread was about. I am not looking to follow the rules within epa guide lines. My car runs better with out the SAP. I was so supprised by how much nicer it ran.

And plus I am already running headers so there's another epa violation.



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I have a serious question. If you do remove the smog items, and in the next few months Oregon enacts an emissions testing program, what will you do? We went for years without any testing, and then one day, the State Legislature passes a law, and so does the Metropolitan Government. Bang! We instantly have an emissions inspection, including a visual inspection. They plug into your ALDL connector, and read all the info. It is really easy to fail the inspection. Just a little warning.
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